Induced EMF on a moving rod next to a line of current.

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The discussion revolves around calculating the induced electromotive force (emf) in a copper rod moving parallel to a long straight wire carrying a current. The problem involves concepts from electromagnetism, specifically the relationship between magnetic fields and induced emf.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the induced emf using the magnetic field generated by the current-carrying wire and the area swept by the rod. Some participants question the nomenclature and the steps taken in the derivation, particularly regarding the use of the area factor and the definition of the magnetic field.

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Homework Statement



I'm currently reviewing some of the old E&M material that I haven't seen in a while and have gotten stuck on this problem. I'm sure I'm just making a simple mistake but I can't seem to make any headway.

Here's the problem: Figure 35-32 shows a copper rod moving with velocity v parallel to a long straight wire carrying a current i. Calculate the induced emf in the rod, assuming v = 5.0m/s, i = 100A, a = 1cm and b = 20cm. Answer: 3.0X10-4V


The Attempt at a Solution



The magnetic field of the wire a distance y away is B = \frac{\mu _{0}i}{2\pi y}. Thus the total magnetic field across the length of the rod is B = \frac{\mu_{0}i}{2\pi}\int_{a}^{b}\frac{dy}{y} = \frac{\mu_{0}i}{2\pi}ln\frac{b}{a}. Now the induced emf is \varepsilon = -\frac{d\Phi _{B}}{dt}=-B\frac{dA}{dt}=-B(b-a)\frac{dx}{dt}=-B(b-a)v. Then the total equation is \varepsilon = \frac{-\mu_{0}iv}{2\pi}(b-a)ln\frac{b}{a}, the only problem being that this is apparently not the correct answer.

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hi grindfreak! :smile:
grindfreak said:
Now the induced emf is \varepsilon = -\frac{d\Phi _{B}}{dt}=-B\frac{dA}{dt}=-B(b-a)\frac{dx}{dt}=-B(b-a)v.

i don't understand this at all :confused:

yes, the area swept out in time t is A = (b-a)vt

but the magnetic flux through that area is ∫ab B(y)vt dy,

ie your previous integral times vt

how did you get that (b-a) factor?
Thus the total magnetic field across the length of the rod is B = \frac{\mu_{0}i}{2\pi}\int_{a}^{b}\frac{dy}{y} = \frac{\mu_{0}i}{2\pi}ln\frac{b}{a}.

whatever is "total magnetic field"?? :confused:

if you mean the flux, then say so, and don't call it "B" !

your strange nomenclature seems to have confused you
 
Yes I think your first integral is probably the right way to go with it, the b-a factor is the length of the rod, so that (b-a)*x is the area swept out by the rod in time t. As for total magnetic field, I really should have said magnetic field on the rod by the line of current (sorry if this sounds a bit poorly worded, I've been working all day).
 
sorry, but you're not making much sense

get some sleep :zzz:, and it'll be clearer in the morning :smile:
 
I checked my equation again and you're correct, I don't know why I used BA for the magnetic flux.
 

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