Induced EMF, bar moving through magnetic field

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The discussion revolves around the induced electromotive force (EMF) in a metal bar moving through a magnetic field created by a straight wire carrying a constant current. The problem involves deriving an expression for the EMF and determining which point along the bar is at a higher potential.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the EMF by segmenting the bar and integrating the magnetic field. Some participants question the appropriateness of this approach, suggesting a need for clarity on the application of the Blv law for EMF. Others explore the implications of the right-hand rule to determine potential differences between points on the bar.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing guidance on the correct application of the Blv law and discussing the implications of the magnetic force on charge distribution within the bar. There is no explicit consensus, but productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating assumptions about the magnetic field's behavior and the definitions of potential in the context of the problem. There is a focus on ensuring the correct interpretation of the equations involved.

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Homework Statement


A long, straight wire as shown below carries a constant current I. A metal bar with length L is moving at a constant velocity V as shown. Point ‘a’ is a distance ‘d’ from the wire. a) Derive an expression for the EMF induced in the bar. b) Which point ‘a’ or ‘b’ is at a higher potential?
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Homework Equations


B=μI/2πr for a straight wire. EMF=Blv for motional EMF.

The Attempt at a Solution


For part a) I split up the bar into a bunch of small segments of length dr, a distance "r" away from the wire. so dB=μIdr/2πr. Integrating that from point (a) to point (a+b) I get B=(μI/2π)ln((a+b)/a). While I feel reasonably confident about that part, I thought about it a bit more, and I am not sure how multiplying the B-field, μI/2πr by the length, dr, really makes sense, am I forgetting something important? But assuming that is right, I just plug that into EMF=Blv, and get my answer.

Part b) I feel stuck on, only thing I could thing of was using the equation B=μI/2πr and plugging in and (a) and (a+b) for r. Since if I plug in (a) it will be a greater value, then the EMF will be greater there.
 
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The B field is not segmented into small sections dB. B is not a differential here.
Do you know the Blv law? It's the expression for emf of a bar of length l moving with velocity v perpendicularly to a B field such that B, l and v are all orthogonal to each other. Now, what is the right expression for a differential element of emf based on this law?
 
rude man said:
The B field is not segmented into small sections dB. B is not a differential here.
Do you know the Blv law? It's the expression for emf of a bar of length l moving with velocity v perpendicularly to a B field such that B, l and v are all orthogonal to each other. Now, what is the right expression for a differential element of emf based on this law?
I worked on it some more and got d(EMF)=B(r)vdr which simplifies to d(EMF)=(μI/2πr)vdr, with limits for the right side of "a" to "a+b". Also B(r) is the B-field a distance "r" away from the wire.
Forgot to add that for part b) I used the right hand rule and got the the magnetic force, Fb is pointing towards point a for a positive charge inside the rod, so the positive charges will go towards point a and the negative charges towards point b, so point a is at a higher potential.
 
timnswede said:
I worked on it some more and got d(EMF)=B(r)vdr which simplifies to d(EMF)=(μI/2πr)vdr, with limits for the right side of "a" to "a+b". Also B(r) is the B-field a distance "r" away from the wire.
Forgot to add that for part b) I used the right hand rule and got the the magnetic force, Fb is pointing towards point a for a positive charge inside the rod, so the positive charges will go towards point a and the negative charges towards point b, so point a is at a higher potential.
That looks 100% right.
 
rude man said:
That looks 100% right.
Great, thanks!
 

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