Induction Axiom and the Fallacy of All-Encompassing Conclusions

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The discussion centers around the Induction Axiom and a proof related to the color of billiard balls. The inductive hypothesis suggests that for any counting number n, all balls in a set of n members are the same color. Participants are examining the implications of this hypothesis when applied to a set of n+1 balls.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the validity of the proof by questioning the application of the inductive hypothesis to subsets of balls. They discuss the implications of the union and intersection of these subsets and whether the conclusion about all balls sharing the same color holds true.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the proof's assumptions and the definitions of union and intersection. Some participants suggest that the proof fails when n=1, as the sets become disjoint, challenging the original argument's validity.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of clarity regarding the definitions of complements and universal sets, which some participants note as a point of confusion. The discussion also highlights the absurdity of the conclusion drawn from the proof, prompting further examination of the logical steps involved.

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Homework Statement



The inductive hypothesis P(n): For any counting number n in N, and set of billiard balls with n members, all the balls have the same color.

Pf)
Consider any set A of n+1 balls, and the subsets
B=(first n balls), C=(last n balls)

The inductive hypothesis applies to both B and C, so all balls in B have the same color, and likewise for the balls in C. Since the 2 sets have a ball in common, all the balls in their union A=BUC have the same color, proving that P(n+1) is true. By the Induction Axiom, P(n) is true for all counting numbers n so all billiard balls have the same color.

The conclusion is absurd. Can you spot the "error" in this proof?

The Attempt at a Solution


The end says that ALL billiard balls have the same color. But this is true only for the union, not the intersection, of B and C, so not ALL balls apply.
You can have A'=B'UC'=empty set and still fulfill the requirement that all of B' is one color, and all of C' is one color, yet they are not the same color as each other.Is my "error" finding correct?
 
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fk378 said:

Homework Statement



The inductive hypothesis P(n): For any counting number n in N, and set of billiard balls with n members, all the balls have the same color.

Pf)
Consider any set A of n+1 balls, and the subsets
B=(first n balls), C=(last n balls)

The inductive hypothesis applies to both B and C, so all balls in B have the sme color, and likewise for the balls in C. Since the 2 sets have a ball in common, all the balls in their union A=BUC have the same color, proving that P(n+1) is true. By the Induction Axiom, P(n) is true for all counting numbers n so all billiard balls have the same color.

The conclusion is absurd. Can you spot the "error" in this proof?




The Attempt at a Solution


The end says that ALL billiard balls have the same color. But this is true only for the union, the intersection, of B and C, so not ALL balls apply.
You can have A'=B'UC'=empty set and still fulfill the requirement that all of B' is one color, and all of C' is one color, yet they are not the same color as each other.
Also, by the way, the complement of B union the complement of C is NOT the complement of A.


Is my "error" finding correct?
What do you mean by B' and C'? Complement of B and C? But you haven't declared a "universal set". I don't know what you mean by "the union, intersection of B and C". If you mean that in both the union and intersection all balls of the same color then the union IS "all balls".

Suppose n= 5 so n+1= 6. A has 6 balls. B contains the first 5 of those balls and C contains the last 5. All of the balls in B have the same color and all the balls in C have the same color. But [itex]B\capC[/itex] consists of 4 balls that are in both B and C! What does that tell you about the "two" colors?

Now suppose n= 1 so n+1= 2. A contains 2 Balls. B contains the first one and C contains the last one. What happens now?
 
Sorry typo, I meant to write it refers only to "the union, NOT the intersection of B and C."

So in your first case n=5, all the balls in B and C are the same color.

In the second case n=1, B can be one color, and C can be one color.

How do I explain this in "proof-language"?
 
I'm not sure what you mean by "proof-language". If n= 1 so that n+1= 2, set B and C are disjoint so the statement in the origina proof, "Since the 2 sets have a ball in common" is false. That's the error.
 

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