Induction Motor Auto-Transformer Starter - Power and Torque

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SUMMARY

The discussion focuses on the analysis of an auto-transformer starter for induction motors, specifically addressing the relationship between power input per phase and torque. The key equation discussed is Pin (phase) = 3 V I cos∅, where the turns ratio (n) of √3:1 is critical for understanding the proportionality of torque to current and voltage. Participants emphasize the importance of breaking down complex expressions and using basic electrical principles, such as Ohm's Law and the relationship between resistance and impedance, to derive relevant conclusions. The conversation highlights the need for clarity in homework problems and encourages a methodical approach to problem-solving.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of auto-transformers and their applications in induction motors
  • Familiarity with electrical power equations, specifically Pin (phase) = 3 V I cos∅
  • Knowledge of Ohm's Law and impedance calculations
  • Basic grasp of torque and its relationship to electrical current and voltage
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the derivation of power input equations for auto-transformers in induction motors
  • Learn about the implications of turns ratios in transformer design and performance
  • Explore the relationship between torque, current, and voltage in electric motors
  • Investigate the role of impedance in AC circuits and its effect on power calculations
USEFUL FOR

Electrical engineering students, professionals working with induction motors, and anyone involved in the design or analysis of auto-transformer starters will benefit from this discussion.

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Homework Statement


Describe an auto-transformer starter. From the expression for power
input per phase (∝ torque) show that for a turns ratio (n) of √3:1 , for
the auto-transformer:

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Homework Equations



Pin (phase) = 3 V I cos∅

I = V/Z

cos∅ = R/Z

T∝I∧2
T∝V∧2

For auto transformer with ration n:1, V=V/n, I=nI, T∝1/n∧2

The Attempt at a Solution



I don't understand the question fully, what would be my starting expression? Pin (phase) = 3 V I cos∅?

How do I relate this to being proportional to torque?

I presume in the expression for the power input to the motor/phase that the resistance and impedance is that of the phase with them being denoted with a p?

I've atempted a number of solutions by substituting I and cos∅ for V/Z and R/Z respectively into Pin (phase) = 3 V I cos∅ but I don't come out with anything relevant.

Could you help me get started please?
 

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Stu80 said:
From the expression for power
input per phase
Has your text given you a formula for "power input per phase " that includes terms Rp and Zp ?
 
No unfortunately it hasn’t, what I posted in the problem statement is everything I have.
 
Stu80 said:
I don't understand the question fully, what would be my starting expression? Pin (phase) = 3 V I cos∅?

i agree it isn't clearly stated .

How do I relate this to being proportional to torque?
i don't think you have to prove that because they already told you "the expression for power input per phase (whatever that is-jh) is (∝ torque) "

I presume in the expression for the power input to the motor/phase that the resistance and impedance is that of the phase with them being denoted with a p?
i think that's safe to assume.
what else do we know?
We know that a motor has resistance and inductance
so we might express the impedance Z of a phase as R +jXL.

And do we know that apparent power = V2/Z ? If not, check that out with Ohm's Law.

And do we know that R/Z = cosine Φ ? If not, check that out with Pythagoras.

Hmmm. Might that awful looking fraction break down into something less fearsome?
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Break it into a product of individual terms and see if anything logical falls out...

##\frac{1} {n}## X ## \frac {1}{n}## X V X ## \frac {V} {Z} ## X ## \frac {R} {Z}##now ignore the 1/n 's for a moment and concentrate on what's left
does it resemble VIcosΦ ?

Now what to do with those n's ?

I've atempted a number of solutions by substituting I and cos∅ for V/Z and R/Z respectively into Pin (phase) = 3 V I cos∅ but I don't come out with anything relevant.
why the 3 ?

Grad students who write the homework problems for textbook authors often leave clues for you to decipher just like in a mystery novel.
Always take a close look at what they give you and ask "Why did he say that " ?
And, take just one thought step at a time.
.
Here in homework forums we're not supposed to give you the answer, instead to lead your thoughts toward it.
To that end i just went back to very basics .
Basics rock ... Trust them !

old jim
"Never trust a computer with anything important."
 

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Thanks for replying Jim, here's what I have snipped from MS Word:

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Please let me know if it looks good.
 

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Stu80 said:
here's what I have snipped from MS Word:

Aha ! Same exact thing we figured out up above. from the basics.

But what MS Word document is that from? Your text ?

So what happens to that expression for power when you insert the turns ratio √3 ?

Might it make sense to divide the terms at the two applied voltages?
That's often a handy little algebra trick that reduces the number of unknowns.
 
It's my MS Word document, I'm just writing the answer to the question up, I find it easier to type it up in the equation editor in word as opposed to the text box provided.

I'm not sure I understand your comment, I thought I was simply proving the final equation or do I have to go a step further and substitute the (√3)^2 which would obviously replace the n^2 with 3?
 
For the next two parts of the question I have the following:

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I think you have now answered all three of the questions in your original post.

Bravo !

you might annotate your snip with comments
to help you remember should teacher ask you to explain it to class.
Be ready to clarify why cosine of current angle is the same as .cosine of impedance angle Rp/Zp.

I would rehearse a blackboard demonstration "just in case".
That might sound vain, but if he doesn't ask you don't have to admit to it.
Boy Scout's Motto "Be Prepared"

old jim
 
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Sorry for the late reply - Thank you for all your help Jim.
 
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You're welcome.

Did we get it right ? Did teacher have you work it on the blackboard ?

old jim
 

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