Inelastic collision affecting periodic motion

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The problem involves a block attached to a spring undergoing oscillation, which is interrupted by a completely inelastic collision with a second identical block. The main focus is to determine the ratio of amplitudes before and after the collision.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conservation of momentum and energy equations to analyze the collision and its effects on amplitude. There are attempts to express initial conditions in terms of maximum velocity and to relate potential and kinetic energy at the point of collision.

Discussion Status

Several participants are exploring different aspects of the problem, including the relationship between energy and amplitude. Some have offered guidance on substituting expressions to simplify the calculations, while others are questioning the correctness of derived ratios and calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the conditions of the collision occurring at maximum amplitude, and participants are navigating through the implications of energy conservation in this context. Some uncertainty remains regarding the correct ratio of amplitudes after the collision.

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Homework Statement


A block os mass m is attached to a horizontal spring, which is attached to a wall. The block is oscillating without friction with initiation amplitude A0 and maximum velocity v0. When the block is at its maximum amplitude (and therefore instantaneously at rest), is it struck by a second identical block, moving to the left at velocity v0, and the collision is completely inelastic.

What is the ratio of amplitudes after and before the collision A / A0

Homework Equations


E = (1/2)kA0^2 = (1/2)kx^2 + (1/2)mv^2
m1v1 + m2v2 = (m1 + m2)v'

The Attempt at a Solution


I first set up my conservation of momentum equation to determine v' after the collision:
0 + mv0 = 2mv'
v' = v0/2

I then tried to use my energy equation to solve for final amplitude, where the energy of the system after the collision is equal to the kinetic energy from the incoming block and the potential energy of the original system.

E2 = (1/2)(2m)(v0/2)^2 + (1/2)kA0^2 = (1/2)kA^2

Rearranging and simplifying, I've narrowed it down to:
kA^2 = (mv0^2)/2 + kA0^2

But I don't know how to get the ratio from this equation. Is there something else I should be plugging into substitute and simplify?
 
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laurenm02 said:
kA^2 = (mv0^2)/2 + kA0^2
Try expressing ##\frac{1}{2}kA_0^2## in terms of ##V_0##
You know the max velocity of the initial oscillatory(SHM) motion.
 
I'm sorry, I'm not really sure how to do that? How do I figure out the max velocity?
 
laurenm02 said:
not really sure how to do that? How do I figure out the max velocity?

You don't have to
laurenm02 said:
The block is oscillating without friction with initiation amplitude A0 and maximum velocity v0.
 
So because the blocks collide at maximum potential energy, can I relate that direction to maximum kinetic energy?

(1/2)kA0^2 = (1/2)mv0^2
So A0 = √(mV0^2)/k ?
 
You can directly substitute this
laurenm02 said:
(1/2)kA0^2 = (1/2)mv0^2
into
laurenm02 said:
kA^2 = (mv0^2)/2 + kA0^2
so you'll get ##A## from this
and you have ##A_0## from this
laurenm02 said:
A0 = √(mV0^2)/k
 
I see! So my final ratio A/A0 = 1/2 ?
 
laurenm02 said:
I see! So my final ratio A/A0 = 1/2 ?
Could you check that?
Post you're calculations, i feel it's wrong.
 
So Energy after the collision = (1/2)(2m)(v0^2/4) + (1/2)kA0^2
Substituting A0 = √(mV0^2)/k
Then, E = mv0^2/4 + mv0^2 = (1/2)kA^2
Simplifying: E = (mv0^2)/2 + 2mv0^2 = kA^2
So A^2 = (5mv0^2)/2

And because the coefficient of A0 is just one, the ratio* is (5/2)?
 
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laurenm02 said:
Then, E = mv0^2/4 + mv0^2 = (1/2)kA^2
the second term should be ##\frac{1}{2}mv_0^2##
 
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Ahh, so instead of 5/2, it's 3/2?
 
  • #12
laurenm02 said:
Ahh, so instead of 5/2, it's 3/2?
You didn't take the root .
 

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