Inertial Reference Frame Locally

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of inertial reference frames, particularly in the context of local environments such as a classroom. Participants explore whether it is valid to treat a local frame as inertial despite the Earth's rotation and associated accelerations.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why a local reference frame, like a classroom, cannot be treated as inertial, suggesting that the motion of the classroom and a rolling ball can be ignored due to their shared movement with the Earth.
  • Another participant asserts that non-inertial frames introduce fictitious forces, which cannot be ignored if they are significant.
  • A later reply introduces the Coriolis effect as a phenomenon that would be unexplainable if the Earth's surface were treated as an inertial reference frame, highlighting the implications of such a choice.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of treating local frames as inertial. There is no consensus, as some argue for the possibility while others emphasize the importance of accounting for fictitious forces and effects like the Coriolis effect.

Contextual Notes

The discussion touches on the assumptions regarding the negligible effects of acceleration and the implications of fictitious forces in non-inertial frames, which remain unresolved.

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Why can we not CHOOSE a reference frame locally and treat everything inside of it as an inertial reference frame. For example in a classroom, the classroom is moving with the Earth and so is a ball rolling down the class. Because they are both equally moving due to the Earth's rotation, why can't we just ignore that? Simply treat that class room as a inertial reference frame For THIS REASON..

(I know we can treat it as an inertial reference frame because the acceleration of the Earth for that short time and distance is negligible, but that's another reason, i would like to know why my reasoning is wrong, such that if they weren't negligible we could still ignore them.)

Thank you!
 
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adam.kumayl said:
Why can we not CHOOSE a reference frame locally and treat everything inside of it as an inertial reference frame. For example in a classroom, the classroom is moving with the Earth and so is a ball rolling down the class. Because they are both equally moving due to the Earth's rotation, why can't we just ignore that? Simply treat that class room as a inertial reference frame For THIS REASON..

(I know we can treat it as an inertial reference frame because the acceleration of the Earth for that short time and distance is negligible, but that's another reason, i would like to know why my reasoning is wrong, such that if they weren't negligible we could still ignore them.)
Non-inertial frames have fictitious forces. If those forces are not negligible then you cannot ignore them.
 
Are you familiar with the Coriolis effect. If we treated the surface of the Earth as an inertial reference frame, we would have no way to explain why vortices rotate clockwise in the northern hemisphere and counterclockwise in the southern hemisphere.
 

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