Infinite quantum wave function

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The discussion revolves around the concept of quantum wave functions, specifically whether a wave function can be infinite at a point while maintaining a normalized probability. Participants explore the implications of such wave functions, including references to the Dirac delta function and other mathematical constructs.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a wave function could theoretically be infinite at a point, such as at the center of a radially symmetric wave function, while still having a normalized integral probability.
  • Others argue that a proper wave function must have a continuous slope, suggesting that an infinite value at a point is unphysical, although it might represent an idealized limiting case.
  • One participant discusses a specific example of a probability density function, exp(-r)/r, which is infinite at the center but has a finite integral, indicating it could be well-behaved except at that singular point.
  • There is a mention of the Dirac delta function as a wave function for a particle with a precise position, with some participants questioning its physical realizability in reality.
  • Another participant raises a concern about the interpretation of wave functions as probability amplitudes, questioning how they could exceed 1 at any point.
  • One response highlights that such a situation could correspond to a wave function with infinite expected energy, discussing implications in momentum space and normalization issues.
  • There is a reference to delta function normalization, suggesting a potential method of addressing the concerns raised.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the physicality and implications of infinite wave functions, with no consensus reached on whether such functions can be considered valid or unphysical.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of wave functions and normalization, as well as unresolved mathematical interpretations regarding the implications of infinite values in quantum mechanics.

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Can a quantum wave function be infinite at a point? For example you could have a radially symmetric wavefunction that's infinite at the center, yet the integrated probability is 1. Is this unphysical somehow?
Laura
 
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You are describing the Dirac delta function, the wave function of a particle with a precise position.
 
A proper wave function must have a slope that is a continuous function. I don't think this is possible at a point where the function goes to infinity. However, such a function might appear as an idealized limiting case of a sharply "peaked" wave function. For example:

clem said:
the Dirac delta function, the wave function of a particle with a precise position.
 
clem said:
You are describing the Dirac delta function, the wave function of a particle with a precise position.

I was thinking about *something* like probability density = exp(-r)/r. Something that goes infinite at the center yet has finite integral. Perfectly well-behaved except at one point. The Dirac delta function wouldn't ever appear in reality although it might as an intermediate step in one's calculations.
Laura
 
lark said:
I was thinking about *something* like probability density = exp(-r)/r. Something that goes infinite at the center yet has finite integral. Perfectly well-behaved except at one point. The Dirac delta function wouldn't ever appear in reality although it might as an intermediate step in one's calculations.
Laura

What is the Fourier transform of a plane wave? This will be the wavefunction in momentum space.

Zz.
 
now we are talking about dirac deltas, the wavefunction

[tex]D^{n} \delta (x-a)[/tex] (derivative of delta function) has a meaning ?

from Fourier analysis, we could consider the wave function above the Fourier transform of [tex]x^{n}[/tex]
 
If the wave function represents probability amplitudes by definition, how could it be greater than 1 at any point?
 
because its a probability density, you must integrate it to get the probability the particle is in a given range.this situation is unphysical, it corresponds to a wavefunction with infinite expected energy.

to see this write the delta in momentum space (neglecting the various constants its e^ipx')

now use the momentum space hamiltonian for a free particle ((p^2)/2m)) and take the expectation value.

you would get an infinite result, however this is not the only reason why it is unphysical, what the delta wavefunction means in position space is a plane wave in momentum space, this plane wave in momentum space would not be normalizable and thus unphysical.
 
Have you heard of delta function normalization?
 

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