Infinite well problem, not normal probability function(?)

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The discussion revolves around a quantum mechanics problem involving a particle in an infinite potential well. The original poster presents a wave function that combines sine and cosine terms, expressing confusion about how to derive measurable energies and probabilities from this setup.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore expressing the wave function as a linear combination of eigenstates, with some suggesting the use of trigonometric identities. The original poster questions the validity of their approaches and the implications of their findings regarding allowed energy values.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the superposition of states and the normalization of the wave function. The original poster has made progress in rewriting the wave function and calculating energies, but remains uncertain about the interpretation of probabilities associated with these energies.

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The original poster indicates a lack of resources in their textbook regarding superposition, which may affect their understanding of the topic. There is also mention of different notation online contributing to confusion.

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Homework Statement


A particle with mass m is trapped inside the infinite potential well:

0<x<L : U(x) = 0
otherwise: U(x) = ∞

ψ(x,t=0) = Ksin(3∏x/L)cos(∏x/L)

What energies can be measured from this system, what are the probabilities for these energies ?

Homework Equations



Schrödinger equation, |ψ(x,t)|^2 = 1

The Attempt at a Solution


I can solve this type of problem normally when ψ = Asin(...) + Bcos(...), but the look of the ψ function confuses me. My guess i should use the Schrödinger equation to give me E like normally.. but maybe that's not how I am supposed to do this. If it is, my math skills are not good enough. I've been trying quite hard to get something good out of (d/dx)^2(ψ) / ψ .

So thanks in advance for any help i can get. :)
 
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You want to express ##\psi(x)## as a linear combinations of the eigenstates. Try using a trig identity to do this.
 
Thank you, I will work on that this night and read up on how to do it, hopefully I will make it.
 
I haven't solved it, but these are my new trys, am I doing anything right ?

I start with what i think is a trigidentity,
ψ(X) = Ksin([itex]\frac{3πx}{L}[/itex])cos([itex]\frac{πx}{L}[/itex]) = [itex]\frac{K}{2}[/itex][sin([itex]\frac{2πx}{L}[/itex])+sin([itex]\frac{4πx}{L}[/itex])] , solving K from this should be trivial, but I will wait with it for now.

I have two approaches.
1: If there is a function ψ'n = [itex]\frac{K}{2}[/itex]sin([itex]\frac{nπx}{L}[/itex]) then ψ'2 + ψ'4 = ψ, but ψn + ψm ≠ ψn+m right? so what is all this good for either way?

2: [itex]\frac{-\hbar}{2m}[/itex][itex]\frac{dψ}{dx}[/itex]2 = Eψ with ψ =[itex]\frac{K}{2}[/itex][sin([itex]\frac{2πx}{L}[/itex])+sin([itex]\frac{4πx}{L}[/itex])] [itex]\Rightarrow[/itex] [itex]\frac{dψ}{dx}[/itex]2 = -[itex]\frac{K}{2}[/itex][sin([itex]\frac{2πx}{L}[/itex])+4sin([itex]\frac{4πx}{L}[/itex])]( [itex]\frac{4π}{L}[/itex])2 [itex]\Rightarrow[/itex] E = [itex]\frac{2\hbar}{mL^2}[/itex][itex]\frac{1+8cos(\frac{2πx}{L})}{1+2cos(\frac{2πx}{L})}[/itex]

But what does this tell me about what values are allowed ? And was this a good way to go ?

Well if you vela or someone else could help me out a bit more I would appreciate it, thanks.
 
Read up on the superposition of states.
 
Ok I did, there was nothing about it in my textbook i think so becuse of different notation online it was a bit slow but i hope i got this right.

ψ(X) = Ksin(3πx/L)cos(πx/L) = C[sin(2πx/L)+sin(4π/L)] is what I have after I solve 1= ∫|ψ|^2 dx [0,L] → K = 2/√L . For simplicity i introduce C = 1/√L = K/2 .

I want to write ψ as a linear combination of different ψn that is
ψ = Ʃ cnψn = C(c1sin(x/L)+c2sin(2x/L)+c3sin(3x/L)+c4sin(4x/L)+...) = C[sin(2πx/L)+sin(4π/L)]

Another condition is Ʃcn2 = 1 [itex]\Rightarrow[/itex]
c2 = c4 = 1/√2 [itex]\Rightarrow[/itex] Cc2=Cc4 = √(2/L) [itex]\Rightarrow[/itex]
ψ2 = √(2/L)sin(2πx/L), ψ4 = √(2/L)sin(4πx/L)

And now solving Schrödinger equation with ψ2
E2 = [itex]\frac{2\hbarπ^2}{mL^2}[/itex]
with ψ4
E4 = [itex]\frac{8\hbarπ^2}{mL^2}[/itex]

Is it correct to say now that these are the measurable energies, and that the constant cn shows the probability for En beeing measured, in this case they are the same so it's 50% each ?

Thanks again.
 
Yup, you got it.
 
Fantastic, thanks for your help.
 

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