Infinitesimal Lorentz transformation

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The discussion revolves around the infinitesimal Lorentz transformation, focusing on index manipulations and the implications of these transformations in the context of tensor algebra. Participants explore the algebraic substitutions and simplifications involved in the transformation, as well as the properties of the associated matrices.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the infinitesimal Lorentz transformation and questions the algebraic manipulation of terms, particularly the second and third terms in the expansion.
  • Another participant suggests a different formulation of the equation, indicating a potential error in the original expression.
  • A third participant expresses a belief in the asymmetry of the "omega" terms based on a professor's assertion, though they admit uncertainty about the proof.
  • Several participants express gratitude for clarifications provided, indicating a learning moment regarding the importance of certain points in the discussion.
  • A participant raises a concern about the reliability of a textbook that does not include a specific relation involving the metric tensor and the transformation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the algebraic manipulations or the implications of the transformations. There are competing views on the correctness of the expressions and the significance of the asymmetry of the "omega" terms.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the mathematical proofs and the validity of certain assumptions regarding the infinitesimal transformations. The discussion reflects a reliance on various interpretations of index notation and tensor properties.

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I have questions about the infinitesimal Lorentz transformation. but specifically about index manipulations.

\Lambda^{\mu}_{}_{\nu}=\delta^{\mu}_{\nu}+\delta\omega^{\mu}_{}_{\nu}
where \delta\omega^{\mu}_{}_{\nu} << 1

as found in many textbooks, we substitute this into

g_{\mu\nu}\Lambda^{\mu}_{}_{\alpha}\Lambda^{\nu}_{}_{\beta}=g_{\alpha\beta}

and do the tedious(?) algebra...

g_{\mu\nu}(\delta^{\mu}_{\alpha}\delta^{\nu}_{\beta}+\delta^{\mu}_{\alpha}\delta\omega^{\nu}_{}_{\beta}+\delta\omega^{\mu}_{}_{\alpha}\delta^{\nu}_{\beta}+\delta\omega^{\mu}_{}_{\alpha}\delta\omega^{\nu}_{}_{\beta})=g_{\alpha\beta}

and the last term is negligible because it too small (correct me if wrong!)

my question is the second and third terms. they are supposed to become...

...\delta\omega_{\mu\nu}+\delta\omega_{\nu\mu}...

why is that? because \delta^{\mu}_{\nu}'s are identity matrices, so whichever order we multiply, we get the same result.
and I look up some articles and found something about "abstract index notation". but is this the one?
 
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<br /> g_{\mu\nu}\Lambda^{\mu}_{}_{\alpha}\Lambda^{\nu}_{ }_{\beta}=g_{\alpha\beta}<br />

should be

<br /> g_{\nu\mu}\Lambda^{\mu}_{}_{\alpha}\Lambda _{\beta}{}^{\nu} =g_{\alpha\beta}<br />
 
I think the one -at certain stages- shoul not worry about similar metters, since this consideration of infinitesimal rotation is usefal for a quick conviction that ''omega"" are asymetric.I do not kow how to proof it exactly but Idid believe my profesor when he said that we can generalize that for even noninfinitisimal ransformation.
I think her is no more than a mathemrical work needed, which in dead, may be every where in the textbooks( of high math possibly).
 
thanks everyone.
malawi_glenn, your explanation made me realize the important point! although I have exactly copied that part from a textbook...

thanks again.
 
KarateMan said:
thanks everyone.
malawi_glenn, your explanation made me realize the important point! although I have exactly copied that part from a textbook...

thanks again.

which textbook? It should be put on a black list if it does not have

g = \Lambda^{T} g \Lambda
 

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