Infinitesimal SUSY transformation of SYM lagrangian

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The discussion centers on the invariance of the supersymmetric Yang-Mills (SYM) Lagrangian under infinitesimal SUSY transformations. Participants explore the implications of a term that does not vanish during the transformation, questioning whether this term can be canceled or if it remains significant off-shell.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the SYM Lagrangian has a term that does not vanish under SUSY transformation, specifically involving three \(\lambda\) fields.
  • Another participant questions whether the extra term vanishes on the equations of motion, suggesting it is related to the current of the gaugino.
  • A different participant expresses uncertainty about whether it is acceptable for the infinitesimal transformation of the Lagrangian to vanish only after applying the equations of motion, asserting that it should vanish off-shell.
  • One participant agrees that the Lagrangian should be invariant off-shell and suggests introducing a new field to cancel the problematic term.
  • Another participant mentions that the D^a term does not resolve the issue and reflects on the lack of discussion in textbooks regarding this specific SYM Lagrangian.
  • One participant proposes that the remaining term may vanish by applying the Fierz identity.
  • Another participant introduces a connection to normed division algebras and their implications for the dimensions in which SYM occurs, referencing a paper for further reading.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the extra term can be canceled or if it is significant. There is no consensus on the resolution of the issue, and multiple competing perspectives remain regarding the invariance of the Lagrangian.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of off-shell invariance and the potential need for additional fields to address the non-vanishing term, but these suggestions remain unresolved within the discussion.

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I tried to verify that the SYM lagrangian is invariant under SUSY transformation, but it turned out there is a term that doesn't vanish.
The SYM lagrangian is:
\mathscr{L}_{SYM}=-\frac{1}{4}F^{a\mu\nu}F^a_{\mu\nu}+i\lambda^{\dagger a}\bar{\sigma}^\mu D_\mu \lambda^a+\frac{1}{2}D^a D^a
the infinitesimal SUSY transformations of the gauge multiplet are:
\delta A^a_\mu =-\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(\epsilon^\dagger \bar{\sigma}_\mu \lambda^a+\lambda^{\dagger a} \bar{\sigma}_\mu \epsilon)=-\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\epsilon^\dagger \bar{\sigma}_\mu \lambda^a+h.c.
\delta\lambda^a_\alpha =-\frac{i}{2\sqrt{2}}(\sigma^\mu \bar{\sigma}^\nu\epsilon)_\alpha F^a_{\mu\nu}+\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\epsilon_\alpha D^a
\delta \lambda^{\dagger a}_{\dot{\alpha}} =\frac{i}{2\sqrt{2}}(\epsilon^\dagger \bar{\sigma}^\nu\sigma^\mu)_{\dot{\alpha}} F^a_{\mu\nu}+\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\epsilon^\dagger_{\dot{\alpha}} D^a
\delta D^a =\frac{-i}{\sqrt{2}}(\epsilon^\dagger \bar{\sigma}^\mu D_\mu \lambda^a-D_\mu \lambda^{\dagger a}\bar{\sigma}^\mu \epsilon)=\frac{-i}{\sqrt{2}}\epsilon^\dagger \bar{\sigma}^\mu D_\mu \lambda^a+h.c.
I derived that
\delta F^a_{\mu\nu}= -\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\epsilon^\dagger(\bar{\sigma}_\nu D_\mu-\bar{\sigma}_\mu D_\nu)\lambda^a+h.c.
Then when I calculated the variation of the total lagrangian, I obtained that the D^a and F^a_{\mu\nu} terms cancel out separately. But there is a term from the variation of A^b_\mu in the definition of covariant derivative in D_\mu \lambda^a that remains after all the other cancellation. It looks like
i g f^{abc}\lambda^{\dagger a}\bar{\sigma}^\nu \lambda^c (\epsilon^\dagger \bar{\sigma}_\nu \lambda^b+h.c.)
This is the only term with three \lambdas. So it seems there is no term to cancel this one. I have checked my calculation over and over again but couldn't find the mistake. So any idea what 's wrong?
Thanks a lot,
 
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Does the extra term vanish on the equations of motion?
 
Korybut said:
Does the extra term vanish on the equations of motion?

That term is proportional to the current of the gaugino. But since all D_\mu F^{a\mu\nu} terms have already been canceled, this current term doesn't vanish by itself.
 
Korybut said:
Does the extra term vanish on the equations of motion?

Actually I do have this question. Is it ok if the infinitesimal transformation of lagrangian vanishes only after we apply the equations of motion to it? since I don't think so. I expect it vanishes off-shell.
 
Lagrangian should be invariant off-shell, you are right.

I am not an expert in this. But probably you need to introduce new field with purely algebraic equations of motion, like F in WZ model, just to cancel this term.
 
Korybut said:
Lagrangian should be invariant off-shell, you are right.

I am not an expert in this. But probably you need to introduce new field with purely algebraic equations of motion, like F in WZ model, just to cancel this term.

I think the D^a is introduced to do the same thing as F in WZ model. But this D^a doesn't solve this problem. Many textbooks I know discussed the infinitesimal SUSY transformation of WZ lagrangian but not this SYM lagrangian.
Thanks though.
I guess I will check my calculation again. I couldn't think of a way to cancel the term containing three \lambdas.
 
I think I know what's going on there. The remaining term vanishes by itself by using Fierz identity.
 
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I think the answer to your question is related to the normed division algebras tri(\lambda) law. It is also the reason SYM only takes place in dimensions 3,4,6,10 same with super strings and why there only superbranes in 4 different dimensions due to the fact there are only 4 normed division algebras. Check out this paper.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/sym.pdf
 

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