Infinity: a concept or number?

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The discussion centers around the nature of infinity, questioning whether it is a mathematical concept or a number. Participants explore various perspectives on its classification within mathematics, touching on theoretical implications, definitions, and the application of infinity in different mathematical contexts.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that infinity is not a number within the ordinary real number system, while others suggest that it can be treated as an extended number in certain mathematical frameworks.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of defining infinity as a number, with caution noted regarding the application of standard arithmetic rules.
  • Some participants propose that infinity, being unquantifiable, cannot be classified as a number, while others challenge this by comparing it to other mathematical constructs like pi or imaginary numbers.
  • The concept of cardinal and ordinal numbers is introduced, suggesting that the definition of "number" may vary across different mathematical contexts.
  • Participants mention historical figures like Hilbert and Cantor, questioning their views on infinity as a number and seeking citations for these claims.
  • There are references to the use of infinity in calculus and its role in defining limits and series, though some argue this does not directly address the question of its classification.
  • Some participants highlight the existence of various number systems, such as surreal and hypernatural numbers, which may incorporate infinity in different ways.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether infinity is a number or a concept. Multiple competing views are presented, with ongoing debate about definitions and implications.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in definitions and assumptions regarding what constitutes a number, as well as the dependence on specific mathematical frameworks. The conversation also reflects varying interpretations of infinity's role in mathematics.

  • #31
coolul007 said:
However, with the exception of complex numbers, all "numbers" have a fixed location on a number line infinity does not. So, a concept of limitlessness.

Sort of how it's defined in Calculus. If a limit to a real number of a function grows without bound, we call it "infinity." Same goes for a limit to infinity, but a limit to infinity is as a number grows without bound.
 
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  • #32
revo74 said:
I was told that Cantor possibly Hilbert as well, considered infinity to be a number. Is this true?

No, this is not true. Unless you can come up with a citation.


revo74 said:
So infinity is a number then?

Did you not read my entire post?? There is no such thing as a number.
 
  • #33
revo74 said:
Is there any official mathematical dictionaries that define infinity? It seems to me that there are various views on this topic. Is there any authority that decides such things?

There is also no such thing as "infinity". There are various interpretations of infinity throughout mathematics. There are ordinals, cardinals, extended reals, projective spaces, etc. These are all incarnations of infinity.
 
  • #34
Infinity is not a real number then why sometime it is domain or range of a real function?
 
  • #35
Hitarth said:
Infinity is not a real number then why sometime it is domain or range of a real function?

It isn't truly in any domain or range. A range of something like (0,∞) means that the range of the function has no upper limit, not that the upper bound is ∞.
 
  • #36
Indeed, things like [x,+\infty) only have real numbers has elements. So infinity is not a member of the set. Furthermore, the notation "+\infty" is nothing more than a notation. It is a notation for

[x,+\infty) = \{y\in \mathbb{R}~\vert~x\leq y\}

If you don't like the infinity, then other notations are

[x,\rightarrow )~\text{or}~\uparrow x
 
  • #37
revo74 said:
So you consider infinity to be a number?

...as part of what set? With what operations?
 
  • #38
I don't understand why people on this forum respond the way they do to questions like these.

People asking these types of questions have little to no mathematical training. Trying to explain something like the extended reals to them just confuses the matter doesn't it?

Can we just assume these people are talking about the Reals? Simply because they obviously haven't studied or heard of anything else? Can't we just assume the question is "Is infinity in the Real number system?"

This way when someone asks this question, we can simply say: NO.

I really hate these threads, that are posted so often. And even when linked to the FAQ, the OPs don't read it.

Can we lock this? There is no math in it.
 
  • #39
Diffy said:
Can we lock this? There is no math in it.

Agreed.
 

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