Infinte distance with finite energy?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of whether an object can travel an infinite distance while only possessing a finite amount of energy. Participants explore the implications of energy, acceleration, and the relationship between distance and time in this context, drawing on principles from physics and calculus.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a mathematical approach using the equation E = (1/2)mv² and integrates to explore the relationship between energy, velocity, and distance over time.
  • Another participant references Newton's first law to support the idea that an object could theoretically travel an infinite distance.
  • Several participants question the feasibility of accelerating an object over an infinite distance with finite energy, with one suggesting that a hyperbolically decreasing acceleration might be necessary.
  • Another participant emphasizes that energy is a function of time, indicating that the integral may not be straightforward.
  • A later reply suggests that a body can travel an infinite distance with finite energy if its total energy is positive, challenging the initial simplification of energy as solely kinetic.

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Participants express differing views on the feasibility of traveling infinite distances with finite energy, with some supporting the idea under certain conditions while others raise questions about the assumptions involved. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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Limitations include assumptions about the nature of energy, the role of acceleration, and the simplification of energy expressions. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of these factors.

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Let's say we have an object. And we then say that E = (1/2)mv2.
so we solve for velocity and say that
v = (2E/m)^(1/2)

then integrate both sides with respect to time

∫(2E/m)^(1/2)dt= ∫v dt

so we then have

(2E/m)^(1/2)t = distance

so if time was infinitely large (long) could an object travel an infinite distance if it was given in infinitesimally small unit of energy?

as i typed this out i realized that without an acceleration in obviously could but in my head this math means it's accelerating infinitely slow.

Don't hate me if this is wrong. I've only taken Calc 1 and high school physics. and I also have trouble explaining my scientific thoughts to others haha oh well. Please be indepth when denying my math. I also did substite E for (1/2)mv^2 at

∫(2E/m)^(1/2)dt= ∫v dt

this part but i got d = d^(1/2) for an answer. Thanks!
 
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Newton's first law tells us that this must be true.
 
Hmm, it's a little difficult for me.
 
But could you accelarate the object over an infinite distance with finite energy?
 
Remember that E is a function of time, at least I think it is, so the integral might not be so simple.
 
maughanster said:
But could you accelarate the object over an infinite distance with finite energy?
Not unless it is a hyperbolicalaly decreasing acceleration -- but you can just briefly accelerate to an infinitessimally small speed and just continue at that speed forever.
 
With what you just said and thinking things through a bit I think I finally figured out what i wanted to in the first place. thanks!
 
I agree with Russ Watters, but also would like to light up some extra points.
The situation of traveling forever is possible if the total energy of the body is positive. You can't just express E = 1/2 mv^2.
That would be the case if you are thinking that the body is alone in the space but in real life it is in a number of fields. So, the only condition according to Newton and Kepler is taking the total energy to be positive. So, the answer is YES. A body can travel infinite distance with finite energy.
 

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