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The discussion revolves around the application of Gauss's law to derive the electric field due to an infinite plane of charge with a uniform surface charge density (σ). Participants explore the calculation of charge enclosed within a Gaussian cylinder and the reasoning behind considering only the end caps of the cylinder for this calculation.

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  • One participant questions the reasoning behind calculating the charge enclosed as q=σA, suggesting that it should involve integrating σ over the volume of the cylinder (dv), leading to q=σV.
  • Another participant clarifies that the area of the sides of the cylinder is disregarded because the normal vectors to the sides are perpendicular to the electric field vector, resulting in no flux through the curved part of the cylinder.
  • There is a reiteration of the point that when computing the integral of E dot dA, the contribution from the sides is zero, but the focus remains on understanding the charge enclosed calculation.
  • A later reply confirms that the charge enclosed is indeed σ times the area of the circle of the cylinder that intersects the plane, not a three-dimensional volume.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the reasoning for disregarding the sides of the cylinder in the context of electric flux, but there is some initial confusion regarding the calculation of the total charge enclosed, which leads to differing viewpoints on the approach to take.

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The discussion highlights the importance of understanding the geometry of the Gaussian surface and the implications of the electric field direction on the calculation of electric flux. There is an emphasis on the distinction between surface area and volume in the context of charge calculations.

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when deriving the electric field through using gauss's law, I do not completely understand why when
calculating for the charge enclosed the answer key says
"The surface charge distribution on is uniform. The area of the intersection of he non-conducting plane with the Gaussian cylinder is equal to the area of the end-caps, . Therefore the charge enclosed in the cylinder is q=σA"

I thought that the total charge would be the integral of sigma with respect to the volume of a cylinder (dv), which would make the total charge enclosed q=σV

However, even if it is q=σA I do not understand why we would not include the entire area of the cylinder because wouldn't the charge be over that entire Gaussian surface? why do we disregard the sides and only include the end caps for area?
 
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(this is for an infinite plane of charge with a uniformly distributed positive charge density σ) and using Gaussian surface of a cylinder where the infinite plan is at x=0 and the two sides of the cylnider extend to include x<0 and x>0
 
We disregard the area of the sides because the normal vectors to the sides (, i.e. the curved part) is perpendicular to the electric field vector... It means no flux passes through the curved part of the cylinder.
 
Aniruddha@94 said:
We disregard the area of the sides because the normal vectors to the sides (, i.e. the curved part) is perpendicular to the electric field vector... It means no flux passes through the curved part of the cylinder.
I understand that when computing the integral of E dot dA the E dot dA of the sides would be zero, but I was talking about simply calculating and integrating the amount of charge enclosed (but I think I understand that the charge enclosed would be the σ times the area of the circle of the cylinder that intersects the plane not a three dimensional volume where the sides are included)
 
So that clears it out for you?
 
kiwileaf said:
I understand that when computing the integral of E dot dA the E dot dA of the sides would be zero, but I was talking about simply calculating and integrating the amount of charge enclosed (but I think I understand that the charge enclosed would be the σ times the area of the circle of the cylinder that intersects the plane not a three dimensional volume where the sides are included)
Yes, you've got it. We take ( sigma)X(end area) because that's the only part of the sheet inside the cylinder.
 

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