Inflation: meaning of χ (chi) for time scales?

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The discussion revolves around the meaning and implications of the parameter χ (chi) in the context of inflationary cosmology, specifically its relation to the expansion rate of the universe during inflation. Participants explore the time scales associated with inflation, including when it might have started and how long it lasted, referencing concepts from a lecture by Alan Guth.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that χ represents the time needed for the universe to increase all lengths by a factor of e, suggesting that inflation lasts much longer than this time scale.
  • There is uncertainty about whether χ-1 indicates the start time of inflation or its duration, with some participants seeking clarification on this point.
  • Participants discuss the possibility that inflation could have started at the Grand Unified Theory (GUT) energy scale, with references to specific time scales such as 10^-30 seconds and 10^-36 seconds, but express a lack of sources to substantiate these claims.
  • Some participants mention that the duration of inflation is not well-defined, with only lower limits being suggested, and the concept of eternal inflation is introduced.
  • There is a query about the estimation of the end of the GUT epoch, with participants expressing frustration over the lack of explanations in available literature regarding this time scale.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the meaning of χ and its implications for inflation are not fully resolved, with multiple competing views on the timing and duration of inflation remaining. There is also a shared uncertainty regarding the sources of specific time scale estimates.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the available literature and express a desire for more detailed explanations regarding the time scales associated with inflation and the GUT epoch. There is an acknowledgment that the discussion is contingent on unknown physics and assumptions about the early universe.

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This is another question related to an undergrad video lecture on inflation by Guth. In the course, he derives the inflationary expansion rate :

a(t) ~ eχt, with χ = sqrt(8πGρf/3), and ρf being the mass density of the false vacuum energy.

Later in the lecture, around 51:35, Guth gives sample numbers associated to inflation. The starting point is based on the idea that inflation started at energies where Grand Unified Theories were valid, which is on the order of EGUT ~ 1016 GeV. From that, he deduces ρf by dimensional analysis. He then computes the inverse of the expansion rate, χ-1 ~ 10-38 seconds, and what I think is the event horizon length before inflation : c/χ ~ 10-28 cm.

Here is a screenshot (he forgot the the -1 exponent for χ ~ 2.8 * 10-38 s, he corrects it later) :

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I'm ok with EGUT and ρf. What I'm not sure is what do to with χ-1. Does this represent the time at which inflation might have started ? Or the duration of inflation ? And if it is one of those, why ?

Alternatively, in those http://www.emu.dk/sites/default/files/guth_inflation.pdf, he says at some point :

The basic inflationary scenario begins by assuming that at least some patch of the early universe was in this peculiar false vacuum state. To begin inflation, the patch must be approximately homogeneous on the scale of χ−1 , as defined by Equation (1.10).

Equation (1.10) being a(t) ~ eχt, with χ = sqrt(8πGρf/3).​

And I'm not really sure what that phrase means either ?
 
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It is the time needed for the universe to increase all lengths by a factor e. Inflation lasts much longer than that.
 
mfb said:
It is the time needed for the universe to increase all lengths by a factor e. Inflation lasts much longer than that.

Thank you. Is there a (simple) way we can evaluate how long inflation lasts ? And when it starts ?
 
If there was something before inflation, then inflation should have started at its typical energy scale.
Unfortunately we don't know how long it lasts, only lower limits can be found. The answer could be forever (eternal inflation).
 
mfb said:
If there was something before inflation, then inflation should have started at its typical energy scale.

Which might be EGUT ? Is there a way to put a time on that energy scale ? I read poeple saying inflation might have started at 10-30something s but I can't find the sources of those affirmations.

mfb said:
Unfortunately we don't know how long it lasts, only lower limits can be found. The answer could be forever (eternal inflation).

Do you know how we can find those lower limits ? Same thing I read durations of the order of 10-30something s but no proof is given.
 
DoobleD said:
Which might be EGUT ?
Sure. The time scale for the start (if there was a start at all) depends on unknown physics.
Do you know how we can find those lower limits ? Same thing I read durations of the order of 10-30something s but no proof is given.
In the standard literature on inflation, they should be cited in the Wikipedia article about inflation.
 
Ok, I have found some stuff. But there is still something I can't find : why is the end of the GUT epoch is estimated to be 10-36 s (or sometimes, 10-35 s) ?

If we assume inflation happened at a GUT energy scale, it must have started after the Planck time (10-44 s) and before the GUT breaks into the strong and electroweak forces. Which is estimated to have happen at around 10-36 s, for some reason nobody cares to give.

I have checked web pages, courses notes, and even cosmology books, and none explains how this estimation is made. I feel like it must come from one or two papers I can't get my hands on.

Should I create a new thread for that specific question ("why do we think the GUT epoch ended at around 10-36s ?" ) ?
 
A new thread is probably better.
 
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