Infliction Point: Concavity Change & Asymptotes

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The discussion revolves around the concept of inflection points, particularly in relation to vertical asymptotes and the behavior of the second derivative. Participants explore whether a point can be considered an inflection point if it lies at a vertical asymptote and how the definitions of inflection points apply in various scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that an inflection point exists where concavity changes, questioning if a vertical asymptote can still be considered an inflection point.
  • Another participant argues that for a point to be an inflection point, it must lie on the curve, using the example of y=tan(x) and its vertical asymptote at x=π/2.
  • A different participant states that an inflection point must be in the domain of the function and that the second derivative must change sign across that point, noting that it does not need to equal zero or be defined at that point.
  • Examples provided include y=x³, y=cuberoot(x), and y=1/x, illustrating different scenarios of inflection points and their relation to the domain and second derivative behavior.
  • One participant acknowledges the complexity introduced by cusps and agrees that inflection points should be within the domain of the function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether inflection points can occur at vertical asymptotes, with some asserting that they cannot while others suggest that the definition may allow for such cases. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the criteria for inflection points in relation to asymptotes.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations regarding the definition of inflection points, particularly concerning the requirement for points to be in the domain of the function and the behavior of the second derivative.

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Infliction point exist where concavity changes. Say y=a is a vertical asymptote. If f(x) approaches infinity from the left and negative infinity from the right. Since on the left is concave up and the right is concave down. Will "a" still be considered an infliction point? or does f'' have to equal zero and then change sign?
 
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I think for an inflection point, it must lie on the curve.

y=tan(x) is like the f(x) you describe. x=π/2 is vertical asymptote.
 
In order for a value to be an inflection point (not infliction) it must be in the domain and the sign of the second derivative must change across that number. The second derivative does not have to equal zero (or even be defined) at the number.

Some examples:

y = x3. Inflection point at x = 0, y''(0) = 0.

[tex]y=\root{3}{x}[/tex]. Inflection point at x = 0, y''(0) undefined due to vertical tangent.

EDIT: [tex]y=\root{3}{x}[/tex] Sheesh. Tex not rendering correctly. This should be y = cuberoot of x.

[tex]y=\left\left\left\{ \begin{array}{cc}<br /> x^{2}, & \text{{if }}x<0\\<br /> \sqrt{x}, & \text{{if }}x\geq0\end{array}\right[/tex]. Inflection point at x = 0. y''(0) undefined due to corner.

EDIT: [tex]y=\left\left\left\{ \begin{array}{cc}<br /> x^{2}, & \text{{if }}x<0\\<br /> \sqrt{x}, & \text{{if }}x\geq0\end{array}\right[/tex]

y = 1/x. No inflection point at x = 0 even though y'' changes sign across 0 since 0 is not in the domain of the function.

--Elucidus
 
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Forgot about those darn cusps. Would make more sense if inflection point had to be in the domain. Since it is a point lol. Thanks mates.
 

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