Infrared energy flux from the Moon

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the energy flux density from the Moon at Earth's surface, particularly in the infrared spectrum. Participants explore estimates of this flux, the factors influencing it, and the challenges in finding reliable measurements.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the estimate of 89 mW/m² for the Moon's energy flux density, citing concerns over the assumed temperature of the Moon and the calculations based on solar flux values.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on whether the interest is in peak or mean values, noting that the flux changes with the Moon's phases.
  • There is a query regarding whether the Moon should be treated as a disk or a sphere in calculations, with a link to a related thread provided for context.
  • A participant expresses a desire for factual information and measurements rather than speculative discussions, emphasizing the importance of upper estimates for specific conditions.
  • One participant acknowledges missing a part of the previous discussion and commits to further research on the topic.
  • Links to datasets on lunar surface temperature are shared, although their relevance to the energy flux discussion is not explicitly stated.
  • There is confusion regarding the lunar day-night period, with participants discussing its duration and its relation to the Earth-Moon-Sun synodic period.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the estimates of energy flux density and the factors influencing it. There is no consensus on the accuracy of the estimates or the best approach to calculate the flux.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the dependence of flux density on various conditions, such as the Moon's phase and surface temperature. There are also unresolved questions regarding the lunar day-night period and its implications for measurements.

Incnis Mrsi
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The quantitative value of the Moon’s energy flux density on Earth is in tens mW/m², but how many namely?
I am interested in energy flux density from the Moon at Earth’s surface, specifically in infrared (albeit most of it comes in infrared anyway).
Physics.SX (boyfarrell) gives an estimate 89 mW/m². I doubt it for several reasons.
  • 400 K (as effective mean) on Moon seems to be unrealistically hot. This Soviet research gives 380 K. Not a small mismatch after taking to 4th power.
  • The Sun’s photosphere is 15 times hotter than 380 K. From the solar flux value 1360 W/m² (and keeping in mind that both discs are of the same angular size) we obtain, via division by 154, as little as 27 mW/m², and even accounting for the fact that Sun is less a black body than Moon, we are a way below boyfarrell’s estimate. Moreover, iRL there is more atmospheric extinction in infrared than in visible.
  • I generally distrust aforementioned Q&A site, including their ability to do correct math.
I understand that the flux density depend greatly on the phase and other conditions, but the upper estimate (for the full moon overhead and clear weather) is the most important for me.
By the way, why information on measured energy flux from various sources is difficult to find with a Google search?
 
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Are you looking for the peak value, the mean, or something else? Obviously it changes with the phases of the Moon since the part of the surface in shadow is going to be cooler than the part in sunlight.
 
Firstly, I do not “assume” and am interested in factual flux density, some upper estimate (at least, for land not very far from the equator and not very above the m.s.l.). An answer consisting of a link to measurement results (and possibly not a single formula) will qualify. Replies consisting of speculations and pettifogging about hypothetical effects will not (as answers).

Secondly, it is obvious that the full moon’s limb is cooler than the central regions of the Near Side. But I don’t expect the thermal radiance to depend strongly on the angle of view, although do not preclude such dependence and certainly can do necessary corrections (in case the dependence can be backed by peer-reviewed publications).

Thirdly, here is not a homework question; it is rather a research topic. Anyway, I prefer not to waste my effort browsing through help-with-my-homework postings full of «^» and «*».
 
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Incnis Mrsi said:
I understand that the flux density depend greatly on the phase and other conditions, but the upper estimate (for the full moon overhead and clear weather) is the most important for me.

My apologies, it appears I missed this part of your post when I replied, making my entire earlier post unnecessary.

Anyways, I couldn't find much during a quick google search, but I'll try to do a deeper dive when I have the chance.
 
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russ_watters said:
Is the lunar day–night period “28 Earth days”, is it really that short? I expected it to be exactly equal to the Earth–Moon–Sun synodic period (29½ days) because Moon is tidally locked to Earth. But Incnis Mrsi might miss some very advanced findings of astronomy…
 
Incnis Mrsi said:
Is the lunar day–night period “28 Earth days”, is it really that short? I expected it to be exactly equal to the Earth–Moon–Sun synodic period (29½ days) because Moon is tidally locked to Earth. But Incnis Mrsi might miss some very advanced findings of astronomy…

It should be equal to the synodic period. Either someone fat-fingered a number when making that page or they didn't think they needed to be exact.
 

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