Inhomogeneous differential equation, boundary

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The discussion revolves around an inhomogeneous differential equation of the form y'' + by' + c = 0 with boundary conditions y(0) = y(1) = 0. Participants explore the implications of the equation and the associated homogeneous case.

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  • Some participants discuss the transformation of the equation to a first-order form and the method of variation of constants. Others explore the characteristic equation and the implications of boundary conditions on the solutions.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, examining both the homogeneous and inhomogeneous aspects of the equation. There is a recognition of the need for a particular solution, and some guidance has been offered regarding the general solution structure.

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There is a mention of conditions under which non-trivial solutions exist, and the discussion includes the relevance of the Jacobian determinant in the context of homogeneous equations. The nature of the problem as related to fluid dynamics is also noted.

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y"+by'+c=0
y(0)=y(1)=0
 
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Actually, the equation only implies y', so the equation for z=y' is first order and can be directly integrated by variation of constants (assume the same solution as for the homogeneous equation, z=C*exp(-b/a *x), and the assume C is a function of x). solve for C, and then you will get z=y'. integrate this and you will get y
 
elmarsur said:
y"+by'+c=0
y(0)=y(1)=0

Do you have a question about this? It looks like homework to me and so belongs in the homework section. What have YOU done on it. It is a relatively simple linear equation with constant coefficients. What is the associated homogeneous equation? What is its characteristic equation?
 
Thanks a million Gato!
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No, Hall. It's not homework. Probably the terse manner in which I plastered on the board gave that impression.
 
This is what I had done previously:

Take the homogeneous side:y"+by'=0
Condition: y is never zero.
General solution for homogeneous: y = e^mx
Substituting: (m^2+bm)e^mx = 0
e^mx is never zero.
Then: m^2 + bm = 0 (characteristic equation)
b never zero (condition above).
Then: m(m+b)=0; m=0; m=-b
y=c1 + c2e^(-bx)
y(0)=0; then, c1 + c2 = 0
y(1)=0; then, c2e^(-b)= 0

I have a non-trivial solution only if the det: [1 1]
[0 e^(-b)]
{which is equal to e^(-b)} is zero.
If not, then y=0 (trivial solution)

But this is a Reynold's equation (fluid dynamics) and the function cannot be zero throughout
 
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the theorem you state, that there is a non-trivial solution only if the Jacobian is zero is only for homogeneous equations. The trivial solution is always a solution to homogeneous equations so there is a non-trival solution only if the solution is not unique. That is not the case for non-homogeneous equations as you have here.

Okay, the characteristic equation is [itex]r^2+ br= r(r+b)= 0[/itex] and so the characteristic roots are 0 and -b. The general solution to the associated homogeneous equation is [itex]y= A+ Be^{-bt}[/itex].

Since a constant already satisfies the homogeneous equations, try a particular solution of the form Pt. Then y'= P, y"= 0 so y"+ y'= bP= c. P= c/b and the particular solution is (c/b)t.

The general solution to the entire equation, then, is y(t)= A+ Be^{-bt}+ (c/b)t.

Setting t= 0, y(0)= A= 0.

Setting t= 1, [itex]y(1)= Be^{-b}+ (c/b)= 0[/itex] so [itex]Be^{-b}= -c/b[/itex] and [itex]B= (-c/b)e^{b}[/itex].

[itex]y(t)= (-c/b)e^{b}e^{-bt}+ (c/b)t= (c/b)(t- e^{b(1- t)})[/itex] is the only solution to that problem.
 
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Thanks Hall. I had stopped at the homogeneous because I didn't think of the Pt type solution of the inhomogeneous.
However, for t=0, y(0)=0= A+B , instead of A (as you wrote). (1/(e^0)=1)
Right?
Or have I lost all my faculties?
 

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