Inserting limits into an integrated term (Quick question)

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The discussion revolves around deriving the momentum for a charged particle traversing matter, focusing on a specific step in the derivation involving limits and the behavior of terms at infinity.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the implications of squaring a negative infinity term and question whether it results in a sum of zero. There is also a discussion about the correct interpretation of the factor when factoring out terms from a square root.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the mathematical expressions involved, noting the importance of absolute values in the context of limits. There is an ongoing exchange of ideas, with some participants seeking further clarification through LaTeX representation.

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Participants express uncertainty about the derivation and the implications of certain mathematical steps, indicating a need for clearer visual representations and deeper understanding of the concepts involved.

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Homework Statement


Derive the momentum for a charged particle going through matter.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I understand the derivation but there's one step I am not clear about, and I'm probably being really stupid but this:

2ZKeRvI.jpg


if the -infinity term is squared then doesn't it become positive and the sum equal zero?

Thanks for any advice.
 
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rwooduk said:

Homework Statement


Derive the momentum for a charged particle going through matter.

Homework Equations


None.

The Attempt at a Solution


I understand the derivation but there's one step I am not clear about, and I'm probably being really stupid but this:

2ZKeRvI.jpg


if the -infinity term is squared then doesn't it become positive and the sum equal zero?

Thanks for any advice.

Yes, you are correct and that's a really sloppy derivation. What really happens is that when you factor the x^2 out of the square root you get |x|. And x/|x| is 1 at +infinity and -1 at -infinity. Does that help?
 
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Dick said:
Yes, you are correct and that's a really sloppy derivation. What really happens is that when you factor the x^2 out of the square root you get |x|. And x/|x| is 1 at +infinity and -1 at -infinity. Does that help?

Thanks for the reply, It's hard to visualise what you mean, is there any chance you could Latex it? If not, it's fine, I'll just remember that it goes to (2/b^2) and not zero.

thanks again!
 
rwooduk said:
Thanks for the reply, It's hard to visualise what you mean, is there any chance you could Latex it? If not, it's fine, I'll just remember that it goes to (2/b^2) and not zero.

thanks again!

What would be the point of memorizing that something like that? ##\sqrt{x^2+b^2}=|x| \sqrt{1+\frac{b^2}{x^2}}##. Notice the factor in front is not ##x##, it's ##|x|##!
 
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Dick said:
What would be the point of memorizing that something like that? ##\sqrt{x^2+b^2}=|x| \sqrt{1+\frac{b^2}{x^2}}##. Notice the factor in front is not ##x##, it's ##|x|##!

Ahh, i see now, yes that makes sense! Thanks very much for this!
 

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