Integral Calculus - Spot the Error

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The discussion revolves around identifying an error in the evaluation of the improper integral $$\int_1^{\infty}\frac1x \, dx$$ and the application of the comparison test in integral calculus. Participants explore the conditions under which comparisons can be made and the implications of using negative functions in such comparisons.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the integral $$\int_1^{\infty}\frac1x \, dx$$ does not converge, providing a formal evaluation leading to infinity.
  • Another participant questions the validity of using the comparison test when the convergence of the integral is uncertain, suggesting that the professor should have highlighted the part that states "converges as well."
  • A participant emphasizes that comparisons must be valid and on the same side of the x-axis, providing an example of an invalid comparison.
  • Another participant points out that the comparison test applies only to positive functions, challenging the use of negative functions in comparisons.
  • There is a discussion about the conditions under which both positive and negative functions can be compared, with one participant clarifying that both must be negative for certain comparisons to hold.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of the comparison test, particularly regarding the use of negative functions and the conditions for valid comparisons. No consensus is reached on the correct approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the application of the comparison test, particularly regarding the necessity for functions to be positive or negative in specific contexts. There is also mention of the need for valid comparisons, but the exact conditions remain unresolved.

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The big blue circle has been put there by my math prof to denote the location of the error in the following solution. Why is this an error? I'm lost. :(
 

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$$\int_1^{\infty}\frac1x \, dx$$
does not converge. If you were to try to get an antiderivative, the only candidate is $\ln|x|$, so formally, you'd have
$$\int_1^{\infty}\frac1x \, dx = \ln|x|\big|_{1}^{\infty} =\ln(\infty)-\ln(1)=\ln(\infty)=\infty.$$
So it doesn't converge.
 
Ah, so is it like we're not supposed to do the "by comparison" for integrals, especially when we don't know whether the integral will be equal to infinity or not? I mean, why didn't she just circle the "converges as well" part?
 
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MermaidWonders said:
Ah, so is it like we're not supposed to do the "by comparison" for integrals, especially when we don't know whether the integral will be equal to infinity or not? I mean, why didn't she just circle the "converges as well" part?

Comparison is fine, but it must be a VALID comparison. The idea would be capsulized as "closer to zero".

Bad Example: It is also true that for x > 1, we have -e^{x} < \dfrac{1}{x^{2}}, but that is not helpful.

In other words, your comparison must be on the same side of the x-axis.

... the only candidate is ln|x|...

This is a little excessive. For x \ge 1, we have \ln(x) as an additional candidate.
 
Can you explain what you mean by the fact that the "comparison must be on the same side of the x-axis"?
 
You error is that the "comparison test" applies only to positive functions. You cannot just say that [math]-\frac{1}{x}< \frac{1}{x^2}[/math]. Sometimes you can use the absolute value but it is NOT TRUE that [math]\left|-\frac{1}{x}\right|= \frac{1}{x}< \frac{1}{x^2}[/math].
 
Country Boy said:
You error is that the "comparison test" applies only to positive functions.

Well, BOTH positive, sure, but also BOTH negative would do.
 
tkhunny said:
Well, BOTH positive, sure, but also BOTH negative would do.

But "the other way around". If f(x) and g(x) are both positive with f(x)< g(x) and $\int g(x) dx$ converges then $\int f(x) dx$ converges.

If f(x) and g(x) are both negative and f(x)< g(x) (so that |g(x)|< |f(x)| and $\int f(x)dx$ converges then $\int g(x) dx$ converges.
 

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