Integral help (substitution and boundaries)

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The discussion focuses on the evaluation of the improper integral \int_{0}^{1} \frac{\ln x}{x} \, dx and the appropriate bounds for substitution. Participants clarify that when using the substitution u = \ln x, the limits should be transformed accordingly, resulting in u(0) = \infty and u(1) = 0. It is emphasized that the proper definition of the integral involves taking the limit as h approaches 0 from the positive side, specifically \lim_{h \to 0+} \int_h^1 \frac{\ln x}{x} \, dx. The discussion also highlights the alternative approach of using the reverse chain rule to avoid complications with changing limits.

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I´ve added an image where the task is shown. I am wondering about the integral bounds here. When doing the substitution, shouldn't the bounds be inf and 0? When using that u = ln x, i.e. u(0) =inf, u(1) = 0.

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Kqwert said:

Homework Statement


Hello,
I´ve added an image where the task is shown. I am wondering about the integral bounds here. When doing the substitution, shouldn't the bounds be inf and 0? When using that u = ln x, i.e. u(0) =inf, u(1) = 0.

If they are simply going step-by-step and changing the limits, then you are correct. Otherwise, there may be some intermediary steps to get to that point where they have further manipulated the integral.

Just wondering why use substitution when you can use reverse chain rule? Then you don't have to worry about the limits changing...

\int_{0}^{\infty} \frac{ln(x)}{x} = \frac{1}{2} ( ln(\infty)^2 - ln(0)^2)
 
Kqwert said:

Homework Statement


Hello,
I´ve added an image where the task is shown. I am wondering about the integral bounds here. When doing the substitution, shouldn't the bounds be inf and 0? When using that u = ln x, i.e. u(0) =inf, u(1) = 0.

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The image is guilty of sloppy reasoning. The actual definition of the improper integral involved is
$$\int_0^1 \frac{\ln x}{x} \, dx \equiv \lim_{h \to 0+} \int_h^1 \frac{\ln x}{x} \, dx.$$
You can evaluate the integral ##\int_h^1 \ln(x)/x \, dx## and then examine the limit.
 

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