MHB Integral: I am considering a trigonometric substitution

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The discussion centers around solving the integral $\int\frac{3{x}^{3}}{\sqrt{4{x}^{2}-1}}dx$ using various substitution methods. Participants suggest trigonometric and hyperbolic substitutions, with a consensus leaning towards Integration by Parts (IBP) as a more straightforward approach. The process involves setting $u=x^2$ and applying IBP to simplify the integral, ultimately leading to a manageable expression. There is also a comparison of results from different methods, indicating that while the approaches may yield different forms, they could potentially be equivalent. The conversation highlights the complexity of the integral and the exploration of multiple techniques to arrive at a solution.
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$\int\frac{3{x}^{3}}{\sqrt{4{x}^{2}-1}}dx $

I wasn't sure what substitution to use due to what is in radical?

$x=\frac{1}{2}\sec^2 \left({\theta}\right)\ dx=\frac{\sin\left({\theta}\right)}{\cos^3\left({}\right)}$
 
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I think I would consider IBP here...

$$I=\int\frac{3x^3}{\sqrt{4x^2-1}}\,dx=\frac{3}{8}\int x^2\cdot\frac{8x}{\sqrt{4x^2-1}}\,dx$$

Can you proceed?
 
Shouldn't
$x=\frac{1}{2} \sec\left({\theta}\right)$
 
karush said:
Shouldn't
$x=\frac{1}{2} \sec\left({\theta}\right)$

You could try using that substitution, but you will wind up with something as difficult if not more so (if my calculations are correct), than the original. I really think IBP is the way to go here. :D
 
But then how do we get rid of the radical?

To get $tan x$
 
This is what I have in mind...

$$I=\int\frac{3x^3}{\sqrt{4x^2-1}}\,dx=\frac{3}{8}\int x^2\cdot\frac{8x}{\sqrt{4x^2-1}}\,dx$$

Now, using IBP, we let:

$$u=x^2\implies du=2x\,dx$$

$$dv=\frac{8x}{\sqrt{4x^2-1}}\,dx\implies v=2\sqrt{4x^2-1}$$

And so we now have:

$$I=\frac{3}{8}\left(2x^2\sqrt{4x^2-1}-\frac{1}{2}\int \sqrt{4x^2-1}8x\,dx\right)$$

Now integrating the remaining integral is just a matter of applying the power rule. :D
 
Well that's pretty cool
Thank you

However thot by parts could be avoided
Guess not

I'll proceed to finish
 
If you want to use a trigonometric substitution, then you will need to evaluate $3/64 \int \sec^4 \theta \,d\theta$ which can be easily evaluated by splitting $\sec^4 \theta=\sec^2 \theta(1+\tan^2\theta)$.
 
karush said:
$\int\frac{3{x}^{3}}{\sqrt{4{x}^{2}-1}}dx $

I wasn't sure what substitution to use due to what is in radical?

$x=\frac{1}{2}\sec^2 \left({\theta}\right)\ dx=\frac{\sin\left({\theta}\right)}{\cos^3\left({}\right)}$

I think Mark is right that Integration by Parts will be the most direct method. I might also be inclined to try a HYPERBOLIC substitution $\displaystyle \begin{align*} x = \frac{1}{2}\cosh{(t)} \implies \mathrm{d}x = \frac{1}{2}\sinh{(t)}\,\mathrm{d}t \end{align*}$, giving

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int{ \frac{3x^3}{\sqrt{4x^2 - 1}}\,\mathrm{d}x} &= \int{ \frac{3 \left[ \frac{1}{2}\cosh{(t)} \right] ^3 }{\sqrt{ 4 \left[ \frac{1}{2}\cosh{(t)} \right] ^2 - 1 }} \,\frac{1}{2}\sinh{(t)}\,\mathrm{d}t } \\ &= \int{ \frac{ \frac{3}{8}\cosh^3{(t)} }{ \sqrt{ \cosh^2{(t)} - 1 } } \, \frac{1}{2}\sinh{(t)}\,\mathrm{d}t } \\ &= \frac{3}{16} \int{ \frac{\cosh^3{(t)} \sinh{(t)}}{\sinh{(t)}}\,\mathrm{d}t } \\ &= \frac{3}{16} \int{ \cosh^3{(t)}\,\mathrm{d}t } \\ &= \frac{3}{16} \int{ \left[ 1 + \sinh^2{(t)} \right] \, \cosh{(t)}\,\mathrm{d}t } \end{align*}$

and this can be finished with a very simple substitution $\displaystyle \begin{align*} u = \sinh{(t)} \implies \mathrm{d}u = \cosh{(t)}\,\mathrm{d}t \end{align*}$. See how you go.
 
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By u substitution then

$\frac{3}{16}\int\left[1-{{u}^{2 }}\right]du
= \frac{3}{16}\left[u-\frac{{u}^{3}}{3}\right]+C$
 
  • #11
karush said:
By u substitution then

$\frac{3}{16}\int\left[1-{{u}^{2 }}\right]du
= \frac{3}{16}\left[u-\frac{{u}^{3}}{3}\right]+C$

Yes so now convert back to a function of x...
 
  • #12
$u=\sinh\left({t}\right)$
$$x=\frac{1}{2}\cosh\left({t}\right)$$

Plugging back in ?
 
  • #13
karush said:
$u=\sinh\left({t}\right)$
$$x=\frac{1}{2}\cosh\left({t}\right)$$

Plugging back in ?

Surely you can at least plug in u in terms of t. Then use the identity $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \cosh^2{(t)} - \sinh^2{(t)} \equiv 1 \end{align*}$ so that you can write $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \sinh{(t)} = \sqrt{\cosh^2{(t)} - 1} \end{align*}$. That will be enough to write your answer in terms of x...
 
  • #14
$\displaystyle \begin{align*} u=\sinh{(t)}
= \sqrt{\cosh^2{(t)} - 1} \end{align*}$

$$\frac{3}{16}\int\left[1-{{u}^{2 }}\right]du
=\frac{3}{16}\left[u-\frac{{u}^{3}}{3}\right]+C
=\frac{3}{16}\left[\sqrt{\cosh^2{(t)} - 1}
-\frac{{(\cosh^2{(t)} - 1})^{3/2}}{3}\right]+C
$$

this looks weird?
 
  • #15
karush said:
$\displaystyle \begin{align*} u=\sinh{(t)}
= \sqrt{\cosh^2{(t)} - 1} \end{align*}$

$$\frac{3}{16}\int\left[1-{{u}^{2 }}\right]du
=\frac{3}{16}\left[u-\frac{{u}^{3}}{3}\right]+C
=\frac{3}{16}\left[\sqrt{\cosh^2{(t)} - 1}
-\frac{{(\cosh^2{(t)} - 1})^{3/2}}{3}\right]+C
$$

this looks weird?

It looks weird because you are not finished! Surely you can see that since $\displaystyle \begin{align*} x = \frac{1}{2}\cosh{(t)} \end{align*}$ then $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \cosh{(t)} = 2x \end{align*}$...
 
  • #16
$$\frac{3}{16}\left[\sqrt{4x^2 - 1}
-\frac{{(4x^2 - 1})^{3/2}}{3}\right]+C$$

ok the TI gave

$$\int\frac{3{x}^{3}}{\sqrt{4{x}^{2}-1}}dx
=\frac{\left(2{x}^{2}+1\right)\sqrt{4{x}^{2}-1}}{8}+C$$

so ?
 
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  • #17
karush said:
$$\frac{3}{16}\left[\sqrt{4x^2 - 1}
-\frac{{(4x^2 - 1})^{3/2}}{3}\right]+C$$

ok the TI gave

$$\int\frac{3{x}^{3}}{\sqrt{4{x}^{2}-1}}dx
=\frac{\left(2{x}^{2}+1\right)\sqrt{4{x}^{2}-1}}{8}+C$$

so ?

Have you tried anything to see if the two expressions are in fact equivalent?
 
  • #18
They might be =
But I couldn't get an identity.
 

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