Integral: I am considering a trigonometric substitution

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the integral $\int\frac{3{x}^{3}}{\sqrt{4{x}^{2}-1}}dx$. Participants explore various substitution methods, including trigonometric and hyperbolic substitutions, and consider the use of integration by parts (IBP) as a potential approach. The conversation includes technical reasoning and attempts to clarify the best method for simplifying the integral.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using the substitution $x=\frac{1}{2}\sec(\theta)$, while others propose that this may lead to complications similar to the original integral.
  • Integration by parts (IBP) is presented as a viable method by several participants, with one detailing the process of letting $u=x^2$ and $dv=\frac{8x}{\sqrt{4x^2-1}}\,dx$.
  • A participant introduces a hyperbolic substitution, $x = \frac{1}{2}\cosh(t)$, and outlines the resulting integral transformation.
  • Concerns are raised about how to eliminate the radical in the integral, with suggestions to evaluate integrals involving $\sec^4 \theta$ and to apply substitutions effectively.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the equivalence of different forms of the integral and whether they can derive an identity to confirm this.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on the best method for solving the integral. Participants present multiple competing views, including different substitution techniques and the use of integration by parts, leading to an unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the effectiveness of various substitutions and the complexity of the resulting integrals. There are also unresolved steps in the mathematical reasoning, particularly concerning the equivalence of different integral forms.

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$\int\frac{3{x}^{3}}{\sqrt{4{x}^{2}-1}}dx $

I wasn't sure what substitution to use due to what is in radical?

$x=\frac{1}{2}\sec^2 \left({\theta}\right)\ dx=\frac{\sin\left({\theta}\right)}{\cos^3\left({}\right)}$
 
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I think I would consider IBP here...

$$I=\int\frac{3x^3}{\sqrt{4x^2-1}}\,dx=\frac{3}{8}\int x^2\cdot\frac{8x}{\sqrt{4x^2-1}}\,dx$$

Can you proceed?
 
Shouldn't
$x=\frac{1}{2} \sec\left({\theta}\right)$
 
karush said:
Shouldn't
$x=\frac{1}{2} \sec\left({\theta}\right)$

You could try using that substitution, but you will wind up with something as difficult if not more so (if my calculations are correct), than the original. I really think IBP is the way to go here. :D
 
But then how do we get rid of the radical?

To get $tan x$
 
This is what I have in mind...

$$I=\int\frac{3x^3}{\sqrt{4x^2-1}}\,dx=\frac{3}{8}\int x^2\cdot\frac{8x}{\sqrt{4x^2-1}}\,dx$$

Now, using IBP, we let:

$$u=x^2\implies du=2x\,dx$$

$$dv=\frac{8x}{\sqrt{4x^2-1}}\,dx\implies v=2\sqrt{4x^2-1}$$

And so we now have:

$$I=\frac{3}{8}\left(2x^2\sqrt{4x^2-1}-\frac{1}{2}\int \sqrt{4x^2-1}8x\,dx\right)$$

Now integrating the remaining integral is just a matter of applying the power rule. :D
 
Well that's pretty cool
Thank you

However thot by parts could be avoided
Guess not

I'll proceed to finish
 
If you want to use a trigonometric substitution, then you will need to evaluate $3/64 \int \sec^4 \theta \,d\theta$ which can be easily evaluated by splitting $\sec^4 \theta=\sec^2 \theta(1+\tan^2\theta)$.
 
karush said:
$\int\frac{3{x}^{3}}{\sqrt{4{x}^{2}-1}}dx $

I wasn't sure what substitution to use due to what is in radical?

$x=\frac{1}{2}\sec^2 \left({\theta}\right)\ dx=\frac{\sin\left({\theta}\right)}{\cos^3\left({}\right)}$

I think Mark is right that Integration by Parts will be the most direct method. I might also be inclined to try a HYPERBOLIC substitution $\displaystyle \begin{align*} x = \frac{1}{2}\cosh{(t)} \implies \mathrm{d}x = \frac{1}{2}\sinh{(t)}\,\mathrm{d}t \end{align*}$, giving

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int{ \frac{3x^3}{\sqrt{4x^2 - 1}}\,\mathrm{d}x} &= \int{ \frac{3 \left[ \frac{1}{2}\cosh{(t)} \right] ^3 }{\sqrt{ 4 \left[ \frac{1}{2}\cosh{(t)} \right] ^2 - 1 }} \,\frac{1}{2}\sinh{(t)}\,\mathrm{d}t } \\ &= \int{ \frac{ \frac{3}{8}\cosh^3{(t)} }{ \sqrt{ \cosh^2{(t)} - 1 } } \, \frac{1}{2}\sinh{(t)}\,\mathrm{d}t } \\ &= \frac{3}{16} \int{ \frac{\cosh^3{(t)} \sinh{(t)}}{\sinh{(t)}}\,\mathrm{d}t } \\ &= \frac{3}{16} \int{ \cosh^3{(t)}\,\mathrm{d}t } \\ &= \frac{3}{16} \int{ \left[ 1 + \sinh^2{(t)} \right] \, \cosh{(t)}\,\mathrm{d}t } \end{align*}$

and this can be finished with a very simple substitution $\displaystyle \begin{align*} u = \sinh{(t)} \implies \mathrm{d}u = \cosh{(t)}\,\mathrm{d}t \end{align*}$. See how you go.
 
  • #10
By u substitution then

$\frac{3}{16}\int\left[1-{{u}^{2 }}\right]du
= \frac{3}{16}\left[u-\frac{{u}^{3}}{3}\right]+C$
 
  • #11
karush said:
By u substitution then

$\frac{3}{16}\int\left[1-{{u}^{2 }}\right]du
= \frac{3}{16}\left[u-\frac{{u}^{3}}{3}\right]+C$

Yes so now convert back to a function of x...
 
  • #12
$u=\sinh\left({t}\right)$
$$x=\frac{1}{2}\cosh\left({t}\right)$$

Plugging back in ?
 
  • #13
karush said:
$u=\sinh\left({t}\right)$
$$x=\frac{1}{2}\cosh\left({t}\right)$$

Plugging back in ?

Surely you can at least plug in u in terms of t. Then use the identity $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \cosh^2{(t)} - \sinh^2{(t)} \equiv 1 \end{align*}$ so that you can write $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \sinh{(t)} = \sqrt{\cosh^2{(t)} - 1} \end{align*}$. That will be enough to write your answer in terms of x...
 
  • #14
$\displaystyle \begin{align*} u=\sinh{(t)}
= \sqrt{\cosh^2{(t)} - 1} \end{align*}$

$$\frac{3}{16}\int\left[1-{{u}^{2 }}\right]du
=\frac{3}{16}\left[u-\frac{{u}^{3}}{3}\right]+C
=\frac{3}{16}\left[\sqrt{\cosh^2{(t)} - 1}
-\frac{{(\cosh^2{(t)} - 1})^{3/2}}{3}\right]+C
$$

this looks weird?
 
  • #15
karush said:
$\displaystyle \begin{align*} u=\sinh{(t)}
= \sqrt{\cosh^2{(t)} - 1} \end{align*}$

$$\frac{3}{16}\int\left[1-{{u}^{2 }}\right]du
=\frac{3}{16}\left[u-\frac{{u}^{3}}{3}\right]+C
=\frac{3}{16}\left[\sqrt{\cosh^2{(t)} - 1}
-\frac{{(\cosh^2{(t)} - 1})^{3/2}}{3}\right]+C
$$

this looks weird?

It looks weird because you are not finished! Surely you can see that since $\displaystyle \begin{align*} x = \frac{1}{2}\cosh{(t)} \end{align*}$ then $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \cosh{(t)} = 2x \end{align*}$...
 
  • #16
$$\frac{3}{16}\left[\sqrt{4x^2 - 1}
-\frac{{(4x^2 - 1})^{3/2}}{3}\right]+C$$

ok the TI gave

$$\int\frac{3{x}^{3}}{\sqrt{4{x}^{2}-1}}dx
=\frac{\left(2{x}^{2}+1\right)\sqrt{4{x}^{2}-1}}{8}+C$$

so ?
 
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  • #17
karush said:
$$\frac{3}{16}\left[\sqrt{4x^2 - 1}
-\frac{{(4x^2 - 1})^{3/2}}{3}\right]+C$$

ok the TI gave

$$\int\frac{3{x}^{3}}{\sqrt{4{x}^{2}-1}}dx
=\frac{\left(2{x}^{2}+1\right)\sqrt{4{x}^{2}-1}}{8}+C$$

so ?

Have you tried anything to see if the two expressions are in fact equivalent?
 
  • #18
They might be =
But I couldn't get an identity.
 

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