Integral of 1/(1-x) is -ln(abs(1-x)). why negative?

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The discussion revolves around the integral of the function 1/(1-x) and its relationship to the natural logarithm, specifically addressing why the integral results in -ln(abs(1-x)). Additionally, participants explore a differential equation with initial conditions and the implications of removing absolute values in the context of the solution.

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  • Participants discuss the substitution method for integrating 1/(1-x) and question the validity of removing absolute values in the context of a differential equation solution. There are inquiries about the interpretation of the equations presented, particularly regarding initial conditions and the meaning of terms like x^2y.

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The discussion is active, with participants seeking clarification on specific steps and reasoning. Some have provided insights into the integration process and the handling of absolute values, while others express confusion about the relationships between the equations and initial conditions. There is no explicit consensus yet, as multiple interpretations are being explored.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which includes specific initial conditions and a differential equation. There is some ambiguity regarding the correct interpretation of the equations and the implications of the second derivative.

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Why is int(1/(1-x))=-ln(abs(1-x))?
If you substitute u=1-x
then
int(u)=ln(abs(u))=ln(abs(1-x))

Also, in this question you're trying to find the particular solution y=f(x) to the given differential euqation with initial conditions
f(-1)=2
dy/dx=6x^2-x^2y
d^2y/dx^2=-12.

So i get to:
ln(abs( 6 − y)) = − 1/3 x^3 − (1/3 − ln 4)
Why does the solution say I can remove absolute values to get:
y=6-4e^(-1/3(x^3+1)) ?

Thanks!
 
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If you let u = (1-x), then du = - dx .
 
Thanks SammyS!
Could someone please help me with the second part?
 
sparkle123 said:
Also, in this question you're trying to find the particular solution y=f(x) to the given differential euqation with initial conditions
f(-1)=2
dy/dx=6x^2-x^2y
d^2y/dx^2=-12.
I don't understand the 2nd and 3rd equations above. The first is your initial condition. Is the 2nd your differential equation? The 3rd doesn't follow from the 2nd.

Also, does x^2y mean (x2)y or x2y?
sparkle123 said:
So i get to:
ln(abs( 6 − y)) = − 1/3 x^3 − (1/3 − ln 4)
Why does the solution say I can remove absolute values to get:
y=6-4e^(-1/3(x^3+1)) ?
 
f(-1)=2
dy/dx=6x^2-x^2y
d^2y/dx^2=-12
are given conditions

I meant dy/dx=6x^2-(x^2)y

Essentially my question is why can you remove the absolute value signs.

Thanks! :D
 
sparkle123 said:
f(-1)=2
dy/dx=6x^2-x^2y
d^2y/dx^2=-12
are given conditions

I meant dy/dx=6x^2-(x^2)y

Essentially my question is why can you remove the absolute value signs.

Thanks! :D
What you have written about the 2nd derivative is very confusing, in part because it is incorrect.
The differential equation is dy/dx = 6x2 - x2y
The initial conditions are y(-1) = 2 and y''(-1) = -12.

The second derivative is NOT -12, but the value of the second derivative at x = -1 is -12.

By separating variables, I was able to rewrite the diff. eqn. as dy/(6 - y) = x2dx. Integrating each side, I got -ln|6 - y| = (1/3)x3 + C, which is equivalent to
ln|6 - y| = (-1/3)x3 + C2

From the first initial condition I found that C2 = -1/3 + ln4, so
ln|6 - y| = (-1/3)x3 -1/3 + ln4 = (-1/3)(x3 + 1) + ln4

Exponentiation results in
|6 - y| = e^{-1/3(x^3 + 1) + ln4} = e^{ln4}e^{-1/3(x^3 + 1)}

Removing the absolute value signs, we have either
6 - y = e^{ln4}e^{-1/3(x^3 + 1)}

or
-(6 - y) = e^{ln4}e^{-1/3(x^3 + 1)}

Solving for y in each of these equations is relatively straightforward, and I leave that to you. One of these functions is such that y''(-1) = -12. The one for which this is true is your solution.
 
Oh! Thanks Mark44!
 

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