Integral of 1/z using different paths

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The discussion revolves around the integral of 1/z over a specified path in the complex plane, particularly addressing the challenges posed by the singularity at z=0. Participants explore different approaches to handle the integral, including contour integration and the use of residues.

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Main Points Raised

  • jmcelve2 expresses difficulty in evaluating the integral of 1/z due to the singularity at z=0 and suggests using a limit approach with z=ρ*exp[iθ] to exclude the pole.
  • Another participant points out that the proposed path does not form a closed contour and suggests that if it were closed, an indentation around the singularity would be necessary, leading to different outcomes based on the direction of the indentation.
  • This participant also notes that if the contour encloses the pole, the Residue Theorem would apply, resulting in a non-zero integral, while an indentation into the right half-plane would yield an integral of zero.
  • Another participant clarifies that if the path does not approach z=0, then there is no need to consider the singularity, providing specific integrals for each segment of the path.
  • jmcelve2 acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the nature of the path and appreciates the clarification provided by others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the path is closed and how to handle the singularity at z=0. There is no consensus on a single approach, as some suggest contour integration while others argue that the path does not necessitate such considerations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of accurately interpreting the path and the implications of the singularity on the integral's evaluation. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the problem setup.

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Hi everyone,

I'm trying to work out the integral of 1/z over the path (0, -i) to (-i, a) to (a, i) to (0, i) for a any real number greater than 0. I'm having trouble trying to determine what to do at z=0 since the integral doesn't exist here. Any ideas as far as how to push forward? My impression is that I'll have to exclude the pole at z=0 using z=ρ*exp[iθ] and taking the limit as ρ goes to 0 which will give me a closed contour. Presumably I'd have to calculate the residue as well, but I want to make sure I have this done rigorously. Would I have to use the principal value as well?

Many thanks,
jmcelve2
 
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jmcelve said:
Hi everyone,

I'm trying to work out the integral of 1/z over the path (0, -i) to (-i, a) to (a, i) to (0, i) for a any real number greater than 0. I'm having trouble trying to determine what to do at z=0 since the integral doesn't exist here. Any ideas as far as how to push forward? My impression is that I'll have to exclude the pole at z=0 using z=ρ*exp[iθ] and taking the limit as ρ goes to 0 which will give me a closed contour. Presumably I'd have to calculate the residue as well, but I want to make sure I have this done rigorously. Would I have to use the principal value as well?

Many thanks,
jmcelve2

Little ambiguous. The path (0,-i), (-i,a), (a,i), (0,i) does not represent a closed path. Did you mean, "and then back to (0,-i)"?

Suppose you did, then for the integral to be well-behaved, you'd had to indent around the singular point at the origin. If you indented into the right half-plane, then the contour encloses a region where 1/z is analytic and thus the integral is zero. If you indent into the left half-plane, then the contour includes the pole at the origin so the Residue Theorem applies. In either way, the integral represents a principal-valued integral since you're letting the indentation radius go to zero and taking the principal-valued integral along the imaginary axis. The integral is zero in the first case, or 2pi i in the other case right?
 
If, as I would read this, you are integrating on the straight line path from (0, -i) to (a, -i) to (a, i) to (0, i), you would not have to do anything about z= 0 because you never go anywhere near z= 0.

On the path from (0, -i) to (a, -i) you can take z= x- i so that dz= dx and the integral is \int_0^a (x- i)^{-1}dx. On the path from (a, -i) to (a, i) you can take z= a+ iy so that dz= idy and the integral is \int_{-1}^1 (a+iy)^{-1}dy. Finally, on the path from (a, i) to (0, i), you can take z= x+ i so that dz= dx and the integral is \int_1^0 (x+ i)^{-1}dx.
 
Yeah, that's it HallsofIvy. For some reason, I had the impression I was supposed to do a full contour integral. On a second glance, I realized I had completely misread the problem.

Shows the value of reading comprehension in mathematics! Thanks for the help.
 

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