Integral on plane inside a cylinder

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The discussion revolves around calculating the double integral $\iint_{\Sigma}(x^2+y^2)zdA$ over a surface defined by the plane equation $z=4+x+y$, constrained within a cylinder described by $x^2+y^2=4$. The participants explore the appropriate coordinate systems and methods for evaluating the integral.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes defining the surface $\Sigma$ and the region $D$ for the integral calculation.
  • Another participant suggests using Cartesian coordinates with specific limits for integration, while also providing an alternative approach using polar coordinates.
  • A later reply questions the omission of the normal vector magnitude $\| \Sigma_x \times \Sigma_y \|$ in the discussion of the integral.
  • There is a suggestion that using cylindrical coordinates is advisable for this calculation, with acknowledgment that Cartesian expressions may become complex.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the setup of the problem and the use of cylindrical coordinates, but there are differing views on the details of the integration process and the importance of certain mathematical components.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the treatment of the normal vector and the implications of using different coordinate systems for the integral evaluation.

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Hey! :o

I want to calculate $\iint_{\Sigma}(x^2+y^2)zdA$ on the part of the plane with equation $z=4+x+y$ that is inside the cylinder with equation $x^2+y^2=4$.

We can define the surface $\Sigma : D\rightarrow \mathbb{R}^3$ with $\Sigma (x,y)=(x,y,4+x+y)$, where $D$ is the space that is defined by $x^2+y^2\leq 4$, i.e. $D=\{(x,y)\mid x^2+y^2\leq 4\}$, right?

So, we get the following:
$$\iint_{\Sigma}(x^2+y^2)zdA=\iint_{D}(x^2+y^2)(4+x+y)dxdy$$

How can we continue? Do we use here cylindrical coordinates? (Wondering)
 
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Using "dxdy" as the differential you are projecting down to the xy-plane. That is the circle x^2+ y^2= 4 which you can cover by taking x from -2 to 2 and, for each x, y from -\sqrt{4- x^2} to -\sqrt{4- x^2}:
\int_{-2}^2\int_{-\sqrt{4- x^2}}^{\sqrt{4- x^2}} (x^2+ y^2)(x+ y+ 4) dydx

Or, in polar coordinates:
\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^2 r^2(rcos(\theta)+ rsin(\theta)+ 4)r drd\theta= \left(\int_0^{2\pi} cos(\theta)d\theta\right)\left(\int_0^2 r^3 dr\right)+ \left(\int_0^{2\pi} sin(\theta)d\theta\right)\left(\int_0^2 r^3dr\right)+ 8\pi\int_0^2 r^3 dr= 8\pi\int_0^2 r^3 dr
 
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mathmari said:
Hey! :o

I want to calculate $\iint_{\Sigma}(x^2+y^2)zdA$ on the part of the plane with equation $z=4+x+y$ that is inside the cylinder with equation $x^2+y^2=4$.

We can define the surface $\Sigma : D\rightarrow \mathbb{R}^3$ with $\Sigma (x,y)=(x,y,4+x+y)$, where $D$ is the space that is defined by $x^2+y^2\leq 4$, i.e. $D=\{(x,y)\mid x^2+y^2\leq 4\}$, right?

Yep. (Nod)

mathmari said:
So, we get the following:
$$\iint_{\Sigma}(x^2+y^2)zdA=\iint_{D}(x^2+y^2)(4+x+y)dxdy$$

What happened to $\| \Sigma_x \times \Sigma_y \|$? (Wondering)

mathmari said:
How can we continue? Do we use here cylindrical coordinates?

That is advisable yes.
As HallsofIvy showed, it's fairly straight forward in cylindrical coordinates.
Working out the cartesian expression is probably doable, but it becomes messy pretty quick. (Nerd)
 
Thank you so much! (Yes)
 

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