Integral Problem: Compute f(0) Given f'', f(\pi)=1

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The discussion revolves around computing f(0) given the conditions f'' is continuous, f(π) = 1, and the integral equation involving f and f''. Participants explore using integration by parts and substitution to solve the problem. The constant function f(x) = 1 is identified as a solution, yielding f(0) = 1. However, there's a debate about whether f(x) must be constant, with some arguing that f(0) = 1 is the only valid conclusion based on the given conditions. Ultimately, the consensus is that f(0) = 1 is the correct answer.
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Suppose f'' is continuous and
\int_0^{\pi}[f(x)+f''(x)]\sin xdx=2. Given that f(\pi)=1, compute f(0).
I'm stuck on this, and I'm not sure where to start. The problem seems like a quickie, and the assumption that f'' is continuous seems curious. Do I have to use the FTC?
A hint, please??
 
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What about a substitution? x \leftarrow \pi - x looks particularly tempting. Integration by parts could be helpful too.
 
f(0)=1.
The constant function f=1 is a solution... (and f'' is continuous)
 
h2 said:
f(0)=1.
The constant function f=1 is a solution... (and f'' is continuous)

PF is looking better :biggrin:

Ya f(0)=1

But what do u mean by constant function f=1
 
The function f(x) = 1 satisfies the integral.

f(x) = 1
f''(x) = 0

\int_0^\pi [f(x) + f''(x)]\sin{x} \,dx = \int_0^\pi [1 + 0]\sin{x} \,dx = - \cos{x}\Big|_0^\pi = 2

cookiemonster
 
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(The integral of sine is -cosine)
 
cookiemonster said:
The function f(x) = 1 satisfies the integral.

f(x) = 1
f''(x) = 0

\int_0^\pi [f(x) + f''(x)]\sin{x} \,dx = \int_0^\pi [1 + 0]\sin{x} \,dx = - \cos{x}\Big|_0^\pi = 2

cookiemonster


Yes, that's true but the original problem was to show that that is the ONLY function that satisfies the equation.
 
Well, the orignal question was to determine what f(0) is. f itself cannot be determined. Since f(x)=1 works, and yields f(0)=1 we can say that if a unique answer to what f(0) is exists it must be f(0)=1. This is a useful observation, but the solution is found be integration by parts.
 
matt grime said:
Well, the orignal question was to determine what f(0) is. f itself cannot be determined. Since f(x)=1 works, and yields f(0)=1 we can say that if a unique answer to what f(0) is exists it must be f(0)=1. This is a useful observation, but the solution is found be integration by parts.

ya i agree that's why i wanted out to point that f(x) is not a constant function

u have
\int_o^{\pi} f(x) sinx dx + \int_o^{\pi} f^{''}{(x) sinx dx
u will have

- cosx * f(x)|_0^{\pi} + sinx * f^{'} (x)|_0^{\pi}

with the given conditions u get f(0)=1 not f(x)=1
 
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I was just expanding on h2's post! Don't kill the messenger... =\

cookiemonster
 

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