Integral question about depreciation rate in percentage.

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical problem related to the rate of forgetting in students, modeled similarly to Newton's Law of Cooling. Participants explore how to derive a formula for the percentage of material a student remembers over time, given initial conditions and a minimal retention rate.

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  • One participant describes the forgetting rate as proportional to the difference between current memory percentage and minimal retention, introducing initial conditions for the problem.
  • Another participant equates the problem to Newton's Law of Cooling, suggesting a specific initial value problem (IVP) formulation.
  • Subsequent replies discuss the separation of variables and the application of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus (FTOC) to solve the ordinary differential equation (ODE).
  • Further calculations are presented to derive a formula for the percentage remembered after a specified time, leading to a numerical answer based on the given data.
  • Participants express gratitude for assistance and confirm that they arrived at the same numerical result, although they acknowledge the potential for error.

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Participants generally agree on the approach to solving the problem and arrive at the same numerical answer. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the method or the final result, as participants acknowledge the possibility of error.

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Participants rely on assumptions about the model's applicability and the accuracy of the mathematical steps taken. The discussion does not resolve potential ambiguities in the definitions of variables or the implications of the model used.

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This is my first time tackling this kind of problem.

The rate in which a student forgets about what he studies is proportional to the difference of the percentage of what he remembers right now and the percentage of minimal retention of that student. Student A has a rate of minimal retention of 50%. A the end of a class, student A remembers 95% of his studies. One week later, he remembers 80% of his studies of that class.

The exam is in 3 weeks after that class. If student A stops studying, what is the percentage of what he remembers?

1. Let $Q$ be the percentage of what he remembers.
2. Let $t$ be the time in weeks.
3. Initial condition 1: $Q=0.95 $ and $t=0$
5. Initial condition 2: $Q=0.80 $ and $t=1$

Now I'm stuck about finding the rate. From what I understand from the text:
$$ dQ-0.5 = kQ $$After that, I'm not sure what I have to do. I imagine I'd have to find the value of the constant $k$ by plugging the initial conditions 1 and/or 2. But I don't see where I should put the time (t) anywhere?

I am so confused with this problem... so any hints or help to solve is much appreciated.
 
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This is mathematically equivalent to Newton's Law of Cooling. The IVP we want is:

$$\d{Q}{t}=-k(Q-M)$$ where $0<k$ and $$Q(0)=0.95,\,Q(1)=0.80$$

The ODE is separable...can you proceed?
 
Hello MarkFL, thank you for the reply and the lead. I'm looking into the Newton's law of Cooling right now... I'll reply back if I find anything.
 
hobomath said:
Hello MarkFL, thank you for the reply and the lead. I'm looking into the Newton's law of Cooling right now... I'll reply back if I find anything.

My comment about Newton's Law of Cooling was just meant as an observation, in case you are familiar with problems involving that law...I didn't mean for you to necessarily look it up. You have all the information you need to solve the problem as given.

You want to separate variables, and use the boundaries as the limits of integration, and then apply the FTOC. :)
 
To follow up, we can write:

$$\int_{Q_0}^{Q(t)}\frac{1}{u-M}\,du=-k\int_0^t\,dv$$

Applying the FTOC, there results:

$$\ln\left(\frac{Q_0-M}{Q(t)-M}\right)=kt$$

Now, using this, we may determine $k$ given $Q_1=Q(1)$:

$$k=\ln\left(\frac{Q_0-M}{Q_1-M}\right)$$

Hence:

$$\ln\left(\frac{Q_0-M}{Q(t)-M}\right)=\ln\left(\left(\frac{Q_0-M}{Q_1-M}\right)^t\right)$$

Or:

$$\frac{Q_0-M}{Q(t)-M}=\left(\frac{Q_0-M}{Q_1-M}\right)^t$$

Solving for $Q(t)$, we find:

$$Q(t)=\left(Q_0-M\right)\left(\frac{Q_0-M}{Q_1-M}\right)^{-t}+M$$

Now we can answer the question:

The exam is in 3 weeks after that class. If student A stops studying, what is the percentage of what he remembers?

Plugging in the given data, we have:

$$Q(t)=\left(0.95-0.50\right)\left(\frac{0.95-0.50}{0.80-0.50}\right)^{-t}+0.50$$

$$Q(t)=0.45\left(\frac{0.45}{0.30}\right)^{-t}+0.50$$

$$Q(t)=\frac{1}{20}\left(9\left(\frac{2}{3}\right)^{t}+10\right)$$

And so we finally find:

$$Q(3)=\frac{1}{20}\left(9\left(\frac{2}{3}\right)^{3}+10\right)=\frac{1}{20}\left(\frac{8}{3}+10\right)=\frac{19}{30}=63\tfrac{1}{3}\%$$
 
Hey again, thanks you were a great help!Sorry for the lack of follow-up, but I'm glad I found the same answer as yours. It was truly helpful.
 
hobomath said:
Hey again, thanks you were a great help!Sorry for the lack of follow-up, but I'm glad I found the same answer as yours. It was truly helpful.

I am glad to be of help, and that you got the same answer I did (presuming we are correct of course). :)

I posted a follow-up just in case other people find this thread via a search engine, then the working and solution is available making MHB more useful and encouraging a return visit and perhaps even a new member posting their own questions.
 

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