Integrate by making substitution and by parts

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral of sin(√x) using substitution and integration by parts. Participants explore the concept of variable substitution, specifically addressing how to eliminate the square root in the integral.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the term "substitution" in the context of the integral.
  • One participant suggests using u-substitution, specifically letting u = √x, to simplify the integral.
  • Another participant proposes an alternative substitution, x = u², to eliminate the square root and provides the corresponding differential.
  • There is a discussion about the steps involved in the substitution process, with emphasis on the correct handling of differentials.
  • One participant attempts to demonstrate the integration process step-by-step after making the substitution, leading to a proposed solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for a substitution to simplify the integral, but there are differing opinions on the specific substitution to use and the steps involved in the integration process. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the substitution process can introduce additional steps, and there is uncertainty about the most efficient method to proceed with the integration.

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I don't understand the question:

"First make a substitution and then use integration by parts to evaluate the integral"

[math]\int sin \sqrt{x} dx[/math]

What does it have in mind by "substitution"?
 
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Hi find_the_fun, (Wave)

By "substitution", they are referring to a variable substitution i.e u-substitution. What substitution would get rid of the square root? (Wondering)
 
Rido12 said:
Hi find_the_fun, (Wave)

By "substitution", they are referring to a variable substitution i.e u-substitution. What substitution would get rid of the square root? (Wondering)

So let [math]u=\sqrt{x}[/math] then [math]du=\frac{1}{2\sqrt{x}}dx[/math]
but none of that's in the original equation?
 
I would use the substitution $x=u^2$. This will eliminate the square root from the argument. (Nod)

I wouldn't square root both sides at this step, I would take the differential of both sides.
$dx =2u\cdot du$.

Can you proceed from here?

They are effectively the same, but taking the square root introduces more steps:

$$\sqrt{x}=u$$
$$\frac{1}{2\sqrt{x}}dx=du$$
$$dx=2\sqrt{x}\cdot du$$
Note that $\sqrt{x} = u$
$$dx=2u\cdot du$$
 
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find_the_fun said:
I don't understand the question:

"First make a substitution and then use integration by parts to evaluate the integral"

[math]\int sin \sqrt{x} dx[/math]

What does it have in mind by "substitution"?

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int{ \sin{ \left( \sqrt{x} \right) } \,\mathrm{d}x } &= \int{ \frac{2\,\sqrt{x}\,\sin{ \left( \sqrt{x} \right) } }{2\,\sqrt{x}}\,\mathrm{d}x } \end{align*}$

Now let $\displaystyle \begin{align*} u = \sqrt{x} \implies \mathrm{d}u = \frac{1}{2\,\sqrt{x}}\,\mathrm{d}x \end{align*}$ and the integral becomes

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int{ \frac{2\,\sqrt{x}\,\sin{ \left( \sqrt{x} \right) }}{2\,\sqrt{x}}\,\mathrm{d}x } &= \int{ 2\,u\sin{(u)}\,\mathrm{d}u} \\ &= -2\,u\cos{(u)} - \int{ -2\cos{(u)}\,\mathrm{d}u } \\ &= -2\,u\cos{(u)} + 2\int{ \cos{(u)}\,\mathrm{d}u } \\ &= -2\,u\cos{(u)} + 2\sin{(u)} + C \\ &= -2\,\sqrt{x}\,\cos{ \left( \sqrt{x} \right) } + 2\sin{ \left( \sqrt{x} \right) } + C \end{align*}$
 

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