Integrate (x^2 / sinx) / (1 + x^6)

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function (x^2 sin(x)) / (1 + x^6) over the interval from -π/2 to π/2. Participants are exploring the properties of the function, particularly whether it is even or odd, which influences the evaluation of the definite integral.

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  • Participants discuss the nature of the function in terms of evenness and oddness, with some suggesting that this property could simplify the integration process. Questions arise regarding the implications of these properties for the integral's value.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the function's characteristics, with hints and clarifications being shared. Some participants have provided insights into the definitions of even and odd functions, while others are questioning the validity of certain substitutions and interpretations related to the integral.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the integral is definite and are considering the implications of the function's behavior over the specified limits. There is also mention of convergence in relation to the integral.

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Integrate (x^2 / sinx) / (1 + x^6):

How to do this? I just need some clues...
 
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Do you mean
[tex]\int \frac{x^2 dx}{(\sin x)(1+x^6)}[/tex]?

Also, are you sure that it is not a definite integral?
 
Sorry...should be (x^2 )( sinx) / (1 + x^6):
 
and from x = - pi / 2 to x = pi / 2
 
frozen7 said:
and from x = - pi / 2 to x = pi / 2

Ah! That makes the problem solvable.

Here is a hint:Find if your function is even or odd
 
Erm...may I know what is odd and even function?
 
frozen7 said:
Erm...may I know what is odd and even function?

A function, f(x), is even if

f(-x) = f(x)

and odd if

f(-x) = -f(x)

the integral of an odd from function from -a to a is zero. and the integral of an even function from -a to a is equal to two times the integral of that function from 0 to a.
 
hint2: sin(x) = - sin(-x)
 
Let x=(tan@)^3
 
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What`s the point to let x=(tan@)^3 ?
 
  • #11
Now that i think about it, such substitution might not work...


Do you have a limit for your integral? Are you testing for convergence?
 
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Use the even or odd suggestion. VISUALIZE what it means that a function is odd, and how that will affect the value of a definite integral over that function between limits -a and a.
 
  • #13
By plotting the graph of sinx , the area within [tex]\frac{-\Pi}{2}[/tex] and [tex]\frac{\Pi}{2}[/tex] is zero and also know that the function is an odd function. So, what I get is only the value of sinx , how about [tex]\frac{x^2}{1+x^6}[/tex]?
 
  • #14
Is the function [itex]f(x)=\frac{x^{2}\sin(x)}{1+x^{6}}[/itex] even or odd?

The answer to that is SUFFICIENT to answer what your definite integral is going to be.
 
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Ya. Thanks. Finally i catch the ball. But how should I answer this question in a proper way? Is there any other answering method for this question?
 
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frozen7 said:
Ya. Thanks. Finally i catch the ball. But how should I answer this question in a proper way? Is there any other answering method for this question?
It IS a proper way!
 
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frozen7 said:
Ya. Thanks. Finally i catch the ball. But how should I answer this question in a proper way? Is there any other answering method for this question?
There's a little proof:
#1. If f(x) is an odd function then: [tex]\int \limits_{-\alpha} ^ \alpha f(x) dx = 0[/tex].
#2. If f(x) is an even function then: [tex]\int \limits_{-\alpha} ^ \alpha f(x) dx = 2 \ \int \limits_{0} ^ \alpha f(x) dx = 2 \ \int \limits_{-\alpha} ^ 0 f(x) dx[/tex].
You can easily see this from a graph.
I'll do #2, leaving #1 for you.
[tex]\int \limits_{-\alpha} ^ \alpha f(x) dx = \int \limits_{-\alpha} ^ 0 f(x) dx + \int \limits_{0} ^ \alpha f(x) dx[/tex]
Let's first integrate this:
[tex]\int \limits_{-\alpha} ^ 0 f(x) dx[/tex]. Substitude x = -u, so: dx = -du. x = 0 => u = 0 [itex]x = -\alpha \Rightarrow u = \alpha[/itex]
[tex]\int \limits_{-\alpha} ^ 0 f(x) dx = - \int \limits_{\alpha} ^ 0 f(-u) du = \int \limits_{0} ^ \alpha f(-u) du[/tex]. Using the fact that f(-u) = f(u), you'll have:
[tex]\int \limits_{0} ^ \alpha f(-u) du = \int \limits_{0} ^ \alpha f(u) du = \int \limits_{0} ^ \alpha f(x) dx[/tex], u is the dummy variable.
So:
[tex]\int \limits_{-\alpha} ^ \alpha f(x) dx = \int \limits_{-\alpha} ^ 0 f(x) dx + \int \limits_{0} ^ \alpha f(x) dx = \int \limits_{0} ^ \alpha f(x) dx + \int \limits_{0} ^ \alpha f(x) dx = 2 \ \int \limits_{0} ^ \alpha f(x) dx[/tex]. (Q.E.D)
Can you do the same to #1, and the other part of #2?
 
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Thanks. The explanation is very clear. :)
 
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frozen7 said:
By plotting the graph of sinx , the area within [tex]\frac{-\Pi}{2}[/tex] and [tex]\frac{\Pi}{2}[/tex] is zero and also know that the function is an odd function. So, what I get is only the value of sinx , how about [tex]\frac{x^2}{1+x^6}[/tex]?


This surely is convergent. Let u= x^3
 
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how come [tex]\int \limits_{0} ^ \alpha f(-u) du = \int \limits_{0} ^ \alpha f(u) du = \int \limits_{0} ^ \alpha f(x) dx[/tex]

Shouldn`t it be [tex]\int \limits_{0} ^ \alpha f(-u) du = \int \limits_{0} ^ \alpha f(u) du = \int \limits_{0} ^ {-\alpha} f(x) dx[/tex]
 
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frozen7 said:
how come [tex]\int \limits_{0} ^ \alpha f(-u) du = \int \limits_{0} ^ \alpha f(u) du = \int \limits_{0} ^ \alpha f(x) dx[/tex]
Shouldn`t it be [tex]\int \limits_{0} ^ \alpha f(-u) du = \int \limits_{0} ^ \alpha f(u) du = \int \limits_{0} ^ {-\alpha} f(x) dx[/tex]
Okay, you should look back at your text-book. There should be a part that states:
[tex]\int \limits_{\alpha} ^ {\beta} f(x) dx = \int \limits_{\alpha} ^ {\beta} f(t) dt = \int \limits_{\alpha} ^ {\beta} f(z) dz = \int \limits_{\alpha} ^ {\beta} f(y) dy = ...[/tex]
Since you have:
[tex]\int \limits_{\alpha} ^ {\beta} f(x) dx = F(\beta) - F(\alpha)[/tex]
It shows that the result only depends on F, [itex]\alpha , \mbox{ and } \beta[/itex].
You can also think this way, in the two-dimensional coordinate system, replace the axis Ox by Ot, draw the graph of f(t). It's exactly the same graph as the graph f(x) (i.e when the horizontal axis is Ox). Now change the horizontal axis to Oz, draw the graph of f(z), it's exactly the same as the graph of f(x), and f(t). Hence, the 3 areas under the curves f(x), f(t), f(z) from [itex]x = \alpha , \ t = \alpha , \mbox{ or } z = \alpha[/itex] to [itex]x = \beta , \ t = \beta , \mbox{ or } z = \beta[/itex] are exactly the same.
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I'll give you an illustration:
Let f(x) = 4x3, that means:
f(t) = 4t3, right?
Now let's find the area under these graphs from 0 to 2:
[tex]\int \limits_{0} ^ {2} f(x) dx = \left. x ^ 4 \right|_{0} ^ {2} = 2 ^ 4 = 16[/tex].
[tex]\int \limits_{0} ^ {2} f(t) dt = \left. t ^ 4 \right|_{0} ^ {2} = 2 ^ 4 = 16 = \int \limits_{0} ^ {2} f(x) dx[/tex].
Do you get it now?
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By the way, are you sure that:
[tex]\int \limits_{0} ^ \alpha f(-u) du = \int \limits_{0} ^ \alpha f(u) du = \int \limits_{0} ^ {-\alpha} f(x) dx[/tex]?
Note that: x = -u, so dx = -du
 
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Thanks a lot. :)
 

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