Integrating: 30 Years Later - No Taylor Book

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the expression \(\int \frac{dv}{k - v^2}\) and related calculus concepts. Participants explore various methods of integration, substitutions, and the implications of different values of \(k\). The context includes both theoretical and practical aspects of calculus.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty recalling how to integrate the expression \(\int \frac{dv}{k - v^2}\) after a long time away from calculus.
  • Another participant suggests using the substitution \(v = \sqrt{k} \sin(x)\) to facilitate the integration.
  • A participant questions the presence of \(dt\) in the integral expression and assumes the goal is to integrate \(\int \frac{dv}{k - v^2}\), providing a detailed breakdown of the integration process for both \(k > 0\) and \(k < 0\).
  • Further elaboration is provided on how to handle the integral depending on the sign of \(k\), including the use of arctangent for negative \(k\).
  • Another participant attempts to apply a substitution \(u = (\sqrt{k} + v)\) and derives a logarithmic expression as part of the integration process.
  • A participant thanks others for the assistance and asks for recommendations for a good calculus textbook.
  • A separate participant introduces a different integral problem involving limits and exponential functions, which is met with a reminder to keep discussions focused on the original topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants demonstrate a range of approaches to the integration problem, with no consensus on a single method or solution. The discussion includes multiple competing views and techniques for handling the integral.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the values of \(k\) are made, which affect the integration process. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with calculus concepts among participants.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals seeking assistance with calculus integration techniques, particularly those revisiting the subject after a long time, as well as those looking for recommendations on calculus textbooks.

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for the life of me I cannot recall how to integrate say

Int(dv/(k-v^2))=dt


Its been 30 years since I took calc, and can't find my Taylor book.
 
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Try the substitution v=k1/2sin(x)
 
denverdoc said:
for the life of me I cannot recall how to integrate say

Int(dv/(k-v^2))=dt


Its been 30 years since I took calc, and can't find my Taylor book.
Why is there a dt thingy following the integral expression? So, I assume that you want to integrate:
[tex]\int \frac{dv}{k - v ^ 2}[/tex]
If k > 0, you can do something like this:
[tex]\int \frac{dv}{k - v ^ 2} = \int \frac{dv}{(\sqrt{k} - v) (\sqrt{k} + v)} = \frac{1}{2 \sqrt{k}} \int \frac{(\sqrt{k} - v) + (\sqrt{k} + v)}{(\sqrt{k} - v) (\sqrt{k} + v)} dv[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{1}{2 \sqrt{k}} \int \left( \frac{1}{\sqrt{k} + v} + \frac{1}{\sqrt{k} - v} \right) dv = ...[/tex]
Can you go from here? :)
If k < 0 (or in other words, -k > 0), then you can pull out the minus sign, like this:
[tex]\int \frac{dv}{k - v ^ 2} = - \int \frac{dv}{- k + v ^ 2} = - \int \frac{dv}{(\sqrt{- k}) ^ 2 + v ^ 2} = -\frac{1}{\sqrt{-k}} \arctan \left( \frac{x}{\sqrt{-k}} \right) + C[/tex], can you get this? :)
 
VietDao29 said:
Why is there a dt thingy following the integral expression? So, I assume that you want to integrate:
[tex]\int \frac{dv}{k - v ^ 2}[/tex]
If k > 0, you can do something like this:
[tex]\int \frac{dv}{k - v ^ 2} = \int \frac{dv}{(\sqrt{k} - v) (\sqrt{k} + v)} = \frac{1}{2 \sqrt{k}} \int \frac{(\sqrt{k} - v) + (\sqrt{k} + v)}{(\sqrt{k} - v) (\sqrt{k} + v)} dv[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{1}{2 \sqrt{k}} \int \left( \frac{1}{\sqrt{k} + v} + \frac{1}{\sqrt{k} - v} \right) dv = ...[/tex]
Can you go from here? :)
If k < 0 (or in other words, -k > 0), then you can pull out the minus sign, like this:
[tex]\int \frac{dv}{k - v ^ 2} = - \int \frac{dv}{- k + v ^ 2} = - \int \frac{dv}{(\sqrt{- k}) ^ 2 + v ^ 2} = -\frac{1}{\sqrt{-k}} \arctan \left( \frac{x}{\sqrt{-k}} \right) + C[/tex], can you get this? :)

sure--er, I think... in the first case, let u=(sqrt(k)+v)
du=dv then becomes, int(du/u)... =ln(sqrt(k)+v)-ln(sqrt(k)-v)+C=


using deletes hint, v=k^1/2sin:
k^-1/2int(cos(x)/(k(1-sin^2(x)) which can be treated similarly or simply looked up as the integral of secant.

Thanks so much, the memories are coming back.

Can anyone recommend a good calculus text? I still have my differential eqns/engineering math text, just need a good basic text..
 
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Plz, help :

int_{- infinity}^{+ infinity} dk [exp(ikx)]/(k^2+a^2) -?
 
Lol mate you can't just find someone else's thread about an integral and put yours in it.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=1294997#post1294997

Go there, I put your question in the right place.
 

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