Integrating Bulk Modulus to Find Pressure at Variable Depth

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the bulk modulus to determine pressure at a variable depth, specifically in the context of hydrostatics and fluid mechanics. Participants explore the relationship between pressure, density, and depth, while attempting to integrate these concepts mathematically.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the pressure at 5000 ft is calculated using the formula pressure = density * gravity * depth, arriving at a value of 322,000 psf.
  • Another participant inquires about expressing the hydrostatic equation in terms of the derivative of pressure with respect to depth.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between density and pressure, with a participant noting that it does not involve depth directly.
  • Participants explore the bulk modulus equation and its implications for density as pressure changes, with one participant proposing a formula for density based on the bulk modulus.
  • Integration of the derived equations is discussed, with participants attempting to express density in terms of pressure and subsequently integrate to find pressure as a function of depth.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants are engaged in a collaborative exploration of the problem, with no clear consensus reached on the final integration steps or the application of the bulk modulus in this context. Multiple approaches and interpretations are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the integration process and the relationship between density and pressure, indicating that assumptions about these relationships may affect the outcomes. The discussion involves mathematical steps that remain unresolved.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


pressure = density*gravity*depth

The Attempt at a Solution


The pressure at 5000 ft according to the book is 322,000 psf. This makes sense because density*gravity*depth = 2*32.2*5000 = 322,000 psf. How do I apply the bulk modulus equation to find the pressure at 5000 ft factoring a variable density with depth (The book says its 323,200 psf which makes sense because density increases with depth, although very slightly)?
 

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What is the hydrostatic equation, expressed in terms of the derivative of pressure with respect to depth?
 
That would be just [density*gravity]. So how do I apply that?
 
reddawg said:
That would be just [density*gravity]. So how do I apply that?
Right. $$\frac{dp}{dz}=\rho g$$
Now, from the bulk modulus equation, if the density approaches ##\rho_0## at low pressures, what is the density at pressure p?
 
That's where I have trouble. I always end up with just [density*gravity*depth]. Is it just (1/g)*(dp/dz) ?
 
reddawg said:
That's where I have trouble. I always end up with just [density*gravity*depth]. Is it just (1/g)*(dp/dz) ?
The relationship between density and pressure does not involve z. It's strictly a physical property relationship (sort of like the ideal gas law, except for a liquid).

Chet
 
So, solving for density using the Bulk Modulus equation:

ρ = B*(Δρ/p)
 
reddawg said:
So, solving for density using the Bulk Modulus equation:

ρ = B*(Δρ/p)
Actually, the equation is $$\frac{1}{\rho}\frac{d\rho}{dp}=\frac{d(\ln \rho)}{dp}=\frac{1}{B}$$ What do you get if you integrate that, subject to the initial condition ##\rho=\rho_0## at p --> 0?
 
I get:

(1/B)*p = ln(ρ/ρ0) when factoring in the initial conditions.
 
  • #10
reddawg said:
I get:

(1/B)*p = ln(ρ/ρ0) when factoring in the initial conditions.
Good. Now solve for ##\rho## in terms of p. What do you get?
 
  • #11
ρ = ρ0ep/B
 
  • #12
reddawg said:
ρ = ρ0ep/B
OK. Now substitute that into the hydrostatic equation in post #4. What do you get? Can you integrate that from z =0?
 
  • #13
(dp/dz) = ρ0gep/B

How do I rearrange that to integrate from z=0 to h?
 
  • #14
reddawg said:
(dp/dz) = ρ0gep/B

How do I rearrange that to integrate from z=0 to h?
Cmon man.

$$e^{-\frac{p}{B}}dp=\rho_0 g dz$$
 

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