Integrating the metric in 3-D Spherical coordinates

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around integrating the metric in 3-D spherical coordinates, specifically focusing on calculating arc lengths along a unit sphere's curved manifold. Participants explore different approaches to integration and parametrization within the context of spherical coordinates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that integrating the metric ds gives the arc length along the curved manifold and presents the metric for a unit sphere as ds² = dθ² + sin(θ)² dψ².
  • Another participant suggests that if the curve is constant in ψ, then ds simplifies to dθ, while if constant in θ, ds becomes sin(θ)dψ.
  • A further contribution indicates that for curves that are neither constant, one must parametrize the coordinates, suggesting a form ds² = (something that depends on t) dt² for integration.
  • One participant requests an integral solution for the spherical coordinates metric.
  • A specific example is proposed where the path is defined by φ = 2θ, leading to a derived expression for ds and an integral for arc length s = ∫₀^π √(1 + 4sin²θ) dθ.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a single method for integration, as multiple approaches and examples are presented, indicating a variety of perspectives on the problem.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the parametrization of curves and the specific paths for integration remain unspecified, and the discussion does not resolve the general case for all possible paths in spherical coordinates.

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Guys,

I read that integrating the ds gives the arc length along the curved manifold. So in this case, I have a unit sphere and its metric is ds^2=dθ^2+sin(θ)^2*dψ^2. So how to integrate it? What is the solution for S?

Note, it also is known as ds^2=dΩ^2

Thanks!
 
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GRstudent said:
… integrating the ds gives the arc length along the curved manifold. So in this case, I have a unit sphere and its metric is ds^2=dθ2+sin(θ)2*dψ2. So how to integrate it? What is the solution for S?

integrate ds "dot" the expression for the curve

for example, if the curve is constant ψ, then ds = dθ ("longitude")

if the curve is constant θ, then ds = sinθdψ ("latitude")
 
and if the curve is neither, then you need to parametrize, for example by giving θ = θ(t), ψ=ψ(t), write ds2 = (something that depends on t) dt2 and then integrate!
 
I would like to get an integral solution of spherical coordinates metric.
 
Did you have a particular path in mind, whose arc length you want to calculate? Let's take an example: Suppose the path is defined by [itex]\phi = 2 \theta[/itex], [itex]\theta \in [0, \pi][/itex] and the arc length is
[tex]ds^2 = d\theta^2 + \sin^2 \theta d\phi^2[/tex]
Plugging the curve parametrization into this formula, and taking the square root, you find
[tex]ds = \sqrt{d\theta^2 + \sin^2 \theta (2 d\theta)^2} = \sqrt{1+4\sin^2\theta} d\theta[/tex]
and to find the arc length, you just integrate
[tex]s = \int_\gamma ds = \int_0^\pi \sqrt{1+4\sin^2\theta} d\theta[/tex]
 
Thanks!
 

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