Integrating to Find Perimeter of Semi-Circle/Circle Using x(t) & y(t)

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The discussion revolves around finding the perimeter of a semi-circle and a full circle using integration with parametric equations x(t) = cos(t) and y(t) = sin(t). Participants explore the integration process and the implications of substitutions in the calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the integral of the square root of the sum of squares of x(t) and y(t) to find the perimeter of a semi-circle, arriving at π.
  • Another participant suggests that even with a substitution u=2t, the integral would still yield π, but emphasizes the need to account for the differential du = 2dt.
  • A third participant challenges the distance/perimeter formula by stating that the differentiation of x(t) and y(t) must be considered, implying that the initial approach may be flawed.
  • A later reply acknowledges the oversight of not differentiating x(t) and y(t), indicating a realization of the complexity involved in the problem.

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Participants express differing views on the correctness of the integration approach and the implications of substitutions, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made in the integration process, particularly concerning the differentiation of parametric equations and the handling of substitutions in integrals.

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Let's say I wanted to find the length of the perimeter of a semi-circle using integration with x(t) = cos(t) and y(t) = sin(t). I would do like so:

[tex]\int_{0}^{\pi} \sqrt{sin(t)^2 + cos(t)^2} dt<br /> = \int_{0}^{\pi} \sqrt{1} dt<br /> = \pi[/tex]

now if I wanted to do it for the whole circle I would do it like so:

[tex]\int_{0}^{\pi} \sqrt{sin(2t)^2 + cos(2t)^2} dt<br /> = \int_{0}^{\pi} \sqrt{1} dt<br /> = \pi[/tex]

Now obviously I made a mistake: I didn't replace 2x with u (etc...). But my question is: why can't I do this? What rule stops me from eliminating the cos^2 + sin^2 and getting the wrong answer?
 
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Well even if you make the substitution u=2t you would still arrive at an answer of just pi, because you have to account for du = 2dt.
 
If [itex]x = \cos(2t)[/itex] then [itex]dx^2 = 4 \sin^2(2t) dt^2[/itex] and similarly for y so your distance/perimeter formula is incorrect.
 
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Tide said:
If [itex]x = \cos(2t)[/itex] then [itex]dx^2 = 4 \sin^2(2t) dt^2[/itex] and similarly for y so your distance/perimeter forumula is incorrect.

No wonder I was having trouble doing the problem, I forgot to differentiate x(t) and y(t)! :smile:
 

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