Integrating with Imaginary Numbers: A Closer Look at Trig Substitutions

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The discussion centers around the integration of the expression \(\frac{dx}{\sqrt{x^2-1}}\) using various substitution methods, particularly focusing on the use of imaginary numbers and complex analysis. Participants explore different approaches, including trigonometric and hyperbolic substitutions, and the implications of using complex numbers in integration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using \(x = \sin(u)\) but notes that this leads to a negative sign under the radical, questioning how to handle the imaginary unit \(i\) in the integration process.
  • Another participant proposes using \(x = \sec(\theta)\) and references the identity \(1 + \tan^2(\theta) = \sec^2(\theta)\) as an alternative approach.
  • A different participant recommends hyperbolic substitution, specifically \(x = \cosh(t)\), to avoid complications with imaginary numbers.
  • Some participants express interest in learning how to manage the integration with complex numbers, questioning how to transform the result while retaining the imaginary unit \(i\).
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of using \(x = \sin(t)\) without careful consideration of the value of \(x\) and its implications for the integral, particularly regarding the sign and branch cuts when \(x\) is less than or greater than 1.
  • One participant comments on the teaching of trigonometric substitutions, suggesting that they are often presented simplistically without addressing the complexities that arise in broader applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to the integration problem, with no consensus on a single method. Some advocate for hyperbolic substitutions while others explore the use of complex numbers, indicating a variety of perspectives on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need to consider the value of \(x\) in relation to 1, as this affects whether the square root is real or imaginary. There are also discussions about the implications of using complex variables and the potential complications that arise from branch cuts.

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This is not homework I was wondering if I had to integrate
[itex]\frac{dx}{\sqrt{x^2-1}}[/itex]
Instead of doing the normal trig substitution what if I used
[itex]sin(u)^2-1=-cos(u)^2[/itex] x=sin(u) dx=cos(u)du
But when I make the substitution I will get a negative sign under the radical, could I just pull it out as i and then some how extract the real part. How would I do it with the i in their.
 
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You could but you have to keep it - unless you have any reason to believe that the solution is to do with the real part (why not the imaginary part?)

OR, you could use ##x=\sec\theta## and ##1+\tan^2\theta = \sec^2\theta##
 
If you want a faster way than a normal trig substituion, try a hyperbolic substitution. [itex]x=\cosh t[/itex]and [itex]dx=\sinh t dt[/itex] and use the identity [itex]\cosh^2{t}-\sinh^2{t}=1[/itex].
 
I would like to learn how to do this with complex numbers, ok if I leave the i in their, how would I transform it in the end to get my answer. isn't [itex]cos(ix)=cosh(x)[/itex] or maybe we could do something with eulers formula.
 
No idea since I'd never do it that way - if x=sin(u) then u=arcsin(x) ... so you'll have an arcsin and an i in the final form to simplify out. But I don't think there are nice results from that integration anyway.
 
cragar said:
I would like to learn how to do this with complex numbers, ok if I leave the i in their, how would I transform it in the end to get my answer. isn't [itex]cos(ix)=cosh(x)[/itex] or maybe we could do something with eulers formula.

You have to be more careful with your approach to this integral. You can't just set ##x = \sin t## without thinking about it. There are several cases you have to consider.

First, is x greater or less than 1?

If it's less than 1, ##\sqrt{x^2-1}## is imaginary, so you can just pull a minus sign out and integrate ##-i/\sqrt{1-x^2}## using your trigonometric substitution, though you still have to be careful, because ##\sqrt{1-\sin^2t} = |\cos t|##, not just ##\cos t##, so you need to worry about the sign of t as well.

Now, if x is greater than one, then in the change of variables ##x = \sin t ## , t is necessarily complex (or at least imaginary). Otherwise, ##\sin t \leq 1##. Your integral then has a square root of a potentially complex number, and you can't just start pulling out i's or minus signs. You may need to worry about branch cuts and so on, as well as the appropriate interpretation of the integral now that you are integrating over a non-real variable t. The hyperbolic substitutions avoid all of these issues, of course.
 
The trig substitutions are taught as a kind of quick sleight-of-hand aren't they?
The standard lessons don't mention this stuff - and don't normally need to because it tends to come out in the wash for the problems chosen.
It tends to be when students try to extend the techniques beyond the lessons that it gets noticeable.
 

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