Integration ##\ddot\phi = -\omega^2\phi##

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The discussion revolves around solving the second-order differential equation ##\ddot\phi = -\omega^2\phi##, which is related to oscillatory motion. Participants are exploring methods to derive the general solution for ##\phi(t)##, which is expressed as a combination of sine and cosine functions.

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  • Participants discuss various methods to arrive at the solution, including direct integration, differentiation of known solutions, and the use of Laplace transforms. Some question the nature of the solutions and suggest alternative forms such as exponential functions or power series expansions.

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The discussion is active, with multiple approaches being explored. Participants have shared insights on different methods without reaching a consensus on a single approach. Some have provided links to external resources for further understanding.

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There is mention of constants of integration and initial conditions, which are relevant to the problem but not fully defined in the discussion. The participants also note the potential application of these concepts in fields like electrical engineering.

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Homework Statement
integrate angular acceleration
Relevant Equations
## \phi(t) = A sin(\omega t) + B cos(\omega t)##
##\ddot\phi = -\omega^2\phi##
Hi,
I'm wondering how can I get ## \phi(t) = A sin(\omega t) + B cos(\omega t)##
I know I have to integrate 2 times ##\ddot\phi = -\omega^2\phi##. However, I don't have any more explanation in my book.

I know A and B are the constants of integration.
 
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EpselonZero said:
Homework Statement:: integrate angular acceleration
Relevant Equations:: ## \phi(t) = A sin(\omega t) + B cos(\omega t)##
##\ddot\phi = -\omega^2\phi##

Hi,
I'm wondering how can I get ## \phi(t) = A sin(\omega t) + B cos(\omega t)##
I know I have to integrate 2 times ##\ddot\phi = -\omega^2\phi##. However, I don't have any more explanation in my book.

I know A and B are the constants of integration.
One way is simply to run it backwards: differentiate the answer twice.
Another is to multiply through by ##\dot\phi##. That makes all terms integrable, but then you get an equation for ##\dot\phi## equal to a square root. So the next step is to make a trig substitution.
 
Hi.

Solving differential equations is more of an art than a science. They key here is to recognise that we want a function which, when differentiated twice, gives itself multiplied by a constant. This is quite a common problem.

One approach is to recognise that a solution could be of the form \phi = e^{rt}

Taking this approach gives solutions as complex exponentials. These then reduce to sin and cos. Here is a video which shows this: Another approach is to notice \phi = sin(\omega t + \alpha) has the required behavior (when differentiated twice). Then use the fact that sin(\omega t + \alpha) can be expressed in the form Asin(\omega t)+ Bcos(\omega t).
 
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Another approach is via Laplace transform:
## \ddot\phi = -\omega^2\phi ##
## s^2\Phi - s\phi(0) - \dot\phi(0) + \omega^2 \Phi = 0 ##
where ##\Phi(s) ## is the transform of ## \phi(t) ##.

$$ \Phi = \frac {s\phi(0) + \dot\phi(0)} {s^2 + \omega^2} $$
Let ## A = phi(0) ##
## B = \dot\phi(0)/\omega ##
$$ \Phi = \frac {As + B\omega} {s^2+\omega^2} $$
and from tables,
## \phi(t) =A cos(\omega t) + B sin(\omega t) ##

If this is unfamiliar now, if you're going into electrical eng. you will soon learn it. The only way to solve linear ODE's with constant coefficients! No "guessing" and initial conditions included!
 
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Or, you could use a power series expansion for ##\phi##.
 

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