Integration help (expectation value)

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the time derivative of the expectation value of momentum, specifically \(\frac{d

}{dt}\), using the momentum operator in quantum mechanics. Participants are examining the application of differentiation rules in the context of integrals involving wave functions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to understand a step in the derivation involving the product rule of differentiation. They express uncertainty about the transition between two forms of the equation and seek clarification on whether it is a fundamental rule of integration or differentiation.

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Some participants have provided guidance by identifying the relevant differentiation rule (the product rule) and clarifying the interchangeability of partial derivatives under certain conditions. The discussion reflects a productive exchange of ideas, with participants exploring the implications of these mathematical principles.

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There is an underlying assumption that the wave function involved is sufficiently well-behaved, allowing for the interchange of differentiation order. Participants are navigating the nuances of mathematical rules without reaching a definitive conclusion on the broader implications.

Perillux
I'll skip the format because this isn't for a course, just a textbook I'm reading. Also because it shows the steps but I'm unsure about one of them. It might be a dumb question, but here goes:

It's for calculating [tex]\frac{d<p>}{dt}[/tex] Using the momentum operator we have:

[tex]\frac{d}{dt}<p> = -i\hbar \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} \frac{\partial}{\partial t} (\Psi^* \frac{\partial \Psi}{\partial x})dx[/tex]

then I'm not entirely sure how they get the next step:

[tex]= -i\hbar \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} [\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\Psi^* \frac{\partial \Psi}{\partial x} + \Psi^*\frac{\partial}{\partial x}(\frac{\partial\Psi}{\partial t})]dx[/tex]

I know this is probably just some fundamental rule of integration. But I put the whole equations up anyway. Please just explain it to me. If it is just a rule I have to memorize would you possibly be able to point me somewhere that explains how they derive it?
Thank you.
 
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It's not a rule of integration, but rather a rule of differentiation, the product rule to be more precise.
 
Oh right! I should have known this... so ashamed. lol

ok, so I guess that [tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial t}[/tex] and [tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x}[/tex] are interchangeable. They do it that way to set it up for the next step.

I knew I was going to slap myself on the forehead after seeing the answer... oh well.
Thank you.
 
Perillux said:
Oh right! I should have known this... so ashamed. lol

ok, so I guess that [tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial t}[/tex] and [tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x}[/tex] are interchangeable. They do it that way to set it up for the next step.

I knew I was going to slap myself on the forehead after seeing the answer... oh well.
Thank you.
Don't be ashamed! To answer your question yes, if the function is sufficiently well behave, more specifically if all the mixed second order derivatives are continuous then the order of differentiation may be changed. I.e.

[tex]\Psi_{xt} = \Psi_{tx}[/tex]
 
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