Integration of Ricci Scalar Over Surface

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The discussion centers on the integration of the Ricci scalar over surfaces, specifically examining whether the formula ∫RdS = χ(g), where χ(g) is the Euler characteristic, applies to general surfaces or is restricted to compact surfaces. The conversation explores theoretical implications, convergence issues, and boundary considerations in both compact and non-compact cases.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the integration of the Ricci scalar applies generally or is limited to compact surfaces.
  • One participant notes that on a non-compact surface, the integral might fail to converge, citing hyperbolic space as an example.
  • Another participant suggests that the formula might still hold if the integral converges, indicating a conditional perspective.
  • A different viewpoint introduces the concept of an order-of-limits issue, proposing a modified integral for computing the Euler number of manifolds with boundary, which includes a boundary term.
  • One participant discusses the idea of compacification with a point or curve at infinity, considering the implications of the Ricci scalar being zero at infinity.
  • It is mentioned that in cases where the integral converges on non-compact surfaces, the total curvature can be less than 2πχ(S), using the flat plane as an example.
  • For compact manifolds with boundary, there is a need to account for the total geodesic curvature of the bounding curve.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of the integration of the Ricci scalar to compact versus non-compact surfaces, with no consensus reached on the implications of convergence or boundary terms.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential failure of the integral to converge on non-compact surfaces and the complexities introduced by boundary terms in modified integrals.

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Does this integration of Ricci scalar over surface apply in general or just for compact surfaces?

∫RdS = χ(g)

where χ(g) is Euler characteristic.
And could anybody give me some good references to prove the formula?
 
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On a non-compact surface, the integral might fail to converge. Take hyperbolic space, for example.
 
This might still be true when the integral converges though ?
 
I'm not sure.

Another way to look at this is an order-of-limits issue. Consider a modified integral for computing the Euler number of manifolds-with-boundary. This integral will contain a boundary term (sorry, I don't remember what it looks like). Then you can take any non-compact surface, and just cut a piece out of it, adding a boundary and making the integral finite. Perform the integral first, and then take the limit as the boundary goes to infinity.

I think this will give you an Euler number of 1 for the infinite plane. It is homologous to the disk, and boundaries add 1 to the Euler number.
 
For a non compact surface, I was more thinking of compacification with a point/curve at infinity and hopefully making use of R=0 at infinity... But you're right the boundary term can make this whole business tricky.
 
In the non-compact case where the integral does converge, the total curvature can be less than 2πχ(S).

The flat plane has zero total curvature 0 but has Euler characteristic 1.

For a compact manifold with boundary one needs to add on the total geodesic curvature of the bounding curve.
 
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