Integration of Tsiolkovsky rocket equation

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion focuses on the derivation of the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation, specifically the integration of the differential equation \(\frac{dV}{dt} = -\upsilon_e \frac{1}{m} \frac{dm}{dt}\). Participants clarify that by multiplying both sides by \(dt\) and applying substitutions, the equation can be integrated to yield \(\Delta V = v_e \ln \frac{m_0}{m_1}\). The conversation also addresses the use of absolute values in logarithmic functions and the conditions under which they can be omitted, emphasizing that mass is always positive in this context.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of calculus, particularly integration and differentiation
  • Familiarity with the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation
  • Knowledge of logarithmic functions and their properties
  • Basic principles of physics related to rocket propulsion
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the derivation and applications of the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation in aerospace engineering
  • Learn advanced integration techniques in calculus, including substitution methods
  • Explore the implications of mass flow rate on rocket performance
  • Investigate the role of logarithmic functions in various scientific calculations
USEFUL FOR

Aerospace engineers, physics students, mathematicians, and anyone interested in the mathematical foundations of rocket propulsion and dynamics.

LogicalTime
Messages
114
Reaction score
0
In the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation derivation there is a part that says:

\frac{dV}{dt} = -\upsilon_e \frac{1}{m} \frac{dm}{dt}
"Assuming v_e, is constant, this may be integrated to yield:"

\Delta V\ = v_e \ln \frac {m_0} {m_1}

How does this work? The differential is an operator and I am pretty sure you just can't cancel the dt. I wonder what assumptions are needed to be able to legally just remove the "dt"s though.

Thanks!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
LogicalTime said:
In the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation derivation there is a part that says:

\frac{dV}{dt} = -\upsilon_e \frac{1}{m} \frac{dm}{dt}
"Assuming v_e, is constant, this may be integrated to yield:"

\Delta V\ = v_e \ln \frac {m_0} {m_1}

How does this work? The differential is an operator and I am pretty sure you just can't cancel the dt. I wonder what assumptions are needed to be able to legally just remove the "dt"s though.

Thanks!

Multiply both sides by dt, and then integrate both sides to get:

\int \frac{dV}{dt} dt = \int -\upsilon_e \frac{1}{m} \frac{dm}{dt} dt

Now, the left side can be given the substitution u=V, du/dt= dV/dt or du = dV/dt dt. The right side can be given the substitution w=m, dw = dm/dt dt, thus turning your equation into...

\int du = \int -\upsilon_e \frac{1}{w} dw

And both sides of those can obviously be integrated.
 
Thank you for helping me to see the substitution. :-)
 
You can also look at it this way:

\int_{t_0}^{t_f} dt~\frac{dV}{dt} = V(t_f) - V(t_0)
by the fundamental theorem of calculus.

Similarly,

\int_{t_0}^{t_f}dt~\frac{1}{m}\frac{dm}{dt} = \int_{t_0}^{t_f}dt~\frac{d}{dt}\left(\ln m(t) \right) = \ln m(t_f) - \ln m(t_0) = \ln\left(\frac{m(t_f)}{m(t_0)}\right),
again due to the fundamental theorem. We also recognized that d(\ln m(t))/dt = (1/m) dm/dt.
 
Thanks! Another way to see it.

One further detail:
I think we have been leaving out the absolute value sign.
\int \frac{1}{w} dw = \ln |w| + c

However wiki says this is true:

\frac{d}{dw} \ln(w) = \frac{1}{w}

Assuming that is true then using the fundamental theorem of calc we would get an answer without the absolute value. I am not sure how to reconcile that. Do you guys understand this subtlety?
 
We could have written the absolute value sign when we integrated, but m is presumably the mass, which is never negative, so we don't need it in this case. The absolute value sign appears in infinite integrals when it's not specified whether the variable is positive or negative, or in definite integrals when you know for sure the variable is negative (and don't feel like writing \ln (-x) all the time).

If x is positive:

\frac{d}{dx}\ln x = \frac{1}{x}

If x is negative, only ln(-x) makes sense, since the argument of the log must be positive. So:

\frac{d}{dx}\ln(-x) = \frac{1}{-x}(-1) = \frac{1}{x}

Since the derivative of both ln(x) and ln(-x) gives 1/x, we can write this in compact form saying the derivative of ln|x| is 1/x.

(Note also that ln(ax) has a derivative of 1/x. So, if you differentiate ln(ax), to get it back when you integrate, you can write the arbitrary constant as ln(a), which gives back ln(ax)).
 
Last edited:
Nice, that clears that up as well. Thank you!
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
5K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
4K
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
5K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K