Integration on the way to Generating Functional for the free Dirac Field

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the generating functional for the free Dirac field, specifically focusing on evaluating a Gaussian Grassmann integral. Participants explore the implications of integration by parts and the treatment of mass terms within the integral.

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Main Points Raised

  • Mr. Fogg expresses confusion regarding a minus sign in the integration process and questions whether there is a mistake in the book regarding the mass term.
  • Another participant explains that the minus sign arises from integration by parts, providing a specific formula for clarification.
  • Mr. Fogg shares his calculations and seeks assistance in identifying a mistake, particularly in the handling of the mass term.
  • A different participant suggests that the mass term can be integrated trivially due to the delta function and emphasizes focusing on the derivative term for integration by parts.
  • This participant also notes that the boundary terms vanish at infinity, allowing for simplifications in the calculations.
  • There is a suggestion to discard the mass terms in the integration process and to focus on the remaining terms to arrive at the correct result.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the handling of the mass term and the correctness of the integration steps. Multiple viewpoints are presented regarding the integration process and the implications of the minus sign.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the integration process, particularly concerning the treatment of boundary terms and the specific application of integration by parts. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the mathematical steps involved.

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Hi,
if I want to calculate the generating functional for the free Dirac Field, I have to evaluate a general Gaussian Grassmann integral. The Matrix in the argument of the exponential function is (according to a book) given by:

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I don't understand the comment with the minus-sign and the integration by parts. I tried to do this integration, but didn't get the same result.

Could anyone tell me, how this integration works explicitly?

Or is there a mistake in the book and in the last line it should be +m (not -m) ?

Regards,
Mr. Fogg
 
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The minus sign comes from integration by parts:

[tex]\int d^4x\,[\partial^\mu f(x)]g(x) = -\int d^4x\,f(x)\partial^\mu g(x)[/tex]

where we assume [itex]f(x)g(x)[/itex] vanishes on the surface at infinity. In your case, [itex]f(x)=\delta^4(x'-x)[/itex] and [itex]g(x)=\psi(x)[/itex].
 
Hi,
thanks for your help!

Let me show you my calculation so far:

[tex]\int d^4 x' \overline{\psi}(x') \int d^4 x (-i \hbar \gamma \partial^{\mu} \delta^4(x' - x) - m \delta^4(x'-x)) \psi(x)[/tex]

[tex]= \int d^4 x' \; \overline{\psi}(x') \int d^4 x (-i \hbar \gamma \partial^{\mu} \delta^4(x' - x) \psi(x) - m \delta^4(x'-x) \psi(x))[/tex]

As you suggested

[tex]f(x) = \delta(x' - x) , g(x) = \psi(x)[/tex]

[tex]= \int d^4 x' \; \overline{\psi}(x') \left( -i \hbar \gamma( \left[ \delta^4(x'-x) \psi(x) \right]_{-\infty}^{+\infty} - \int d^4 x \delta^4(x'-x) \partial \psi(x)) - m( \psi(x)^2 )_{-\infty}^{+\infty} + m \int d^4 x \psi(x) \delta^4(x'-x) \right)[/tex]

Somewhere must be a mistake. Can you help me to find it?

Regards,
Mr. Fogg
 
Hi,

I am not sure what you did with the mass-term or why you did it. This term can be trivially integrated over [itex]x'[/itex] due to the delta function:

[tex]-\int d^4x\int d^4x'\bar{\psi}(x)m\delta^4(x-x')\psi(x')=-\int d^4x \bar{\psi}(x) m \psi(x)[/tex]

So you only need to make the partial integration on the derivative term. This you do precisely like Avodyne said, and what your first two terms in your last equation say. So take your last equation, discard the mass-terms, and then use the fact that [itex]\bar{\psi}(x)\psi(x)\rightarrow 0, \ x\rightarrow \pm \infty[/itex] to drop the very first term. Finally the integration over the second term is again trivial and gives you

[tex]-\int d^4 x'\int d^4 x\bar{\psi}(x')\delta(x-x')(-i\hbar)\gamma\cdot \partial\psi(x)=\int d^4x \bar{\psi}(x) i\hbar\gamma\cdot \partial \psi(x)[/tex]

Now adding the mass-term you get the advertised answer.

Hope this helps
 
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