Integration Problem - given a function find a value

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The discussion revolves around an integration problem involving a function f, where the derivative f'(x) is given as sin(1 + x^2) / (x^3 - 2x). The original poster seeks to find the value of f(5) given that f(3) = 7, but expresses difficulty in integrating the function due to its complexity.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss various substitution methods, such as letting u = 1 + x^2, and explore the implications of factoring the denominator. There is a focus on the challenges posed by the degree of the terms involved in the integration.

Discussion Status

Several participants have offered insights into potential approaches, including the use of partial fractions and the sine integral function. However, there is no explicit consensus on the best method to proceed, and participants continue to express uncertainty about the next steps.

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Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the difficulty of integrating the given function with conventional methods and the need for hints rather than complete solutions. There is also mention of homework rules that may limit the types of assistance that can be provided.

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Integration Problem -- given a function... find a value

Homework Statement



If f(3) = 7 and f'(x) = sin (1 + x^2) / (x^3 - 2x), then f(5) = ...


Homework Equations



We can use a calculator (TI-84+) to solve this problem. I'm having a brain fart ... we're given initial conditions, and we're given f'(x) a function that cannot be integrated with conventional methods.


The Attempt at a Solution



I'm thinking this has something to do with the manipulation of the integrand (and its respective limits).

Usually, when I do these problems I integrate... find "C" and once "C" is a value, I plug in the value we're trying to find. But this function isn't easily integrable. What rules am I missing? I need hints not answers please, thank you!
 
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carlodelmundo said:
If f(3) = 7 and f'(x) = sin (1 + x^2) / (x^3 - 2x), then f(5) = ...

Hi carlodelmundo! :smile:

(try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)

Have you tried the obvious substitution … u = 1 + x2 ? :wink:
 


Hello Tim!

If we let u = 1 +x2 .. then du = 2x dx.

This does us no good since the bottom term has degree 3. I know the bottom term can be factored but how can that help us?

By the way... the equation is written as f'(x) = [ sin (1+x2) ] / (x3 - 2x). Thought I might clarify.
 
carlodelmundo said:
This does us no good since the bottom term has degree 3.

You don't seem to recognise the difference between a problem and an opportunity :wink:

multiply top and bottom by x, and then the bottom will have degree 4 :smile:
 


That is a very clever trick. Here is my work thus far:

[tex]\int[/tex][tex]\frac{xsin (1 + x^2)}{x^4 - 2x^2}[/tex]

[tex]\int[/tex][tex]\frac{xsin (1 + x^2)}{x^2(x^2-2)}[/tex]

I let u = 1 + x2

u - 1 = x2

du = 2x dx

The resulting integrand is:

[tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex][tex]\int[/tex][tex]\frac{sin (u) du}{(u-1)(u-3)}[/tex]

From here I am completely lost. I'm thinking we need to use partial fractions to get rid of the ugly denominator? And sorry for the long response, I tried scanning only to use LaTex
 
Hi carlodelmundo! :smile:

just got up :zzz: …
carlodelmundo said:
The resulting integrand is:

[tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex][tex]\int[/tex][tex]\frac{sin (u) du}{(u-1)(u-3)}[/tex]

From here I am completely lost. I'm thinking we need to use partial fractions to get rid of the ugly denominator?

Yes, partial fractions give you two integrals of the form ∫sinx/x …

the integral of that is the "sine integral function", Si(x) … see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sine_integral

I don't think there's any other way of doing it, except expanding sinx/x in powers of x, integrating each term, and then calculating to the required order of accuracy. :frown:
That is a very clever trick.

General tip: when you're desperate :rolleyes:

go back to the obvious! :biggrin:
 

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