Integration - problems with defining the original function

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function \(\frac{1}{(x^2 + 2x +5)}\) and the methods for defining the original function. Participants explore the use of arctan versus logarithmic functions in the integration process.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the validity of using logarithmic functions for integration and question why arctan is preferred in this context. There is an exploration of the conditions under which different methods can be applied, including the need for specific forms in the integrated function.

Discussion Status

The discussion has progressed with some participants recognizing the limitations of using logarithmic functions for this integration. Suggestions have been made to complete the square in the denominator to facilitate integration, indicating a productive direction in the conversation.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of integration methods and the forms of functions required for specific techniques. There is an acknowledgment of the need for proper application of the quotient rule when dealing with logarithmic functions.

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Homework Statement


Hi,
I am supposed to integrate [tex] \frac{1}{(x^2 + 2x +5)}[/tex]
In my textbook the method of arctan is used.

Homework Equations


I wonder why I can't define y as the logarithmic function instead.

The Attempt at a Solution



y = ln (x^2 + 2x +5) / (2x+2)

with absolute value in ln.Can both methods be used?
When I compare graphs for ln and arctan they are equivalent despite x close to the y - axis.
 
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kapitan90 said:

Homework Statement


Hi,
I am supposed to integrate [tex] \frac{1}{(x^2 + 2x +5)}[/tex]
In my textbook the method of arctan is used.

Homework Equations


I wonder why I can't define y as the logarithmic function instead.


The Attempt at a Solution


[tex] \frac{dy}{dx}= \frac{1}{x^2 + 2x +5()}[/tex]

y = ln (x^2 + 2x +5) / (2x+2)

with absolute value in ln.


Can both methods be used?

No. To take the derivative of y = ln (x^2 + 2x +5) / (2x+2) you need to use the quotient rule. The result isn't 1/(x^2+2x+5).
 
Ok, I see that it's incorrect. So can we generalize that to use direct reverse method with natural logarihm the integrated function needs to have a form:

[tex] <br /> \frac{af'(x)}{f(x)}<br /> [/tex]

and ln(f(x)) - method is basically invalid for all other forms?
 
Yes, that is the same as the standard integration formula:
[tex]\int \frac{du}{u}= ln(c)+ C[/tex]
with f(x) instead of u.

To integrate
[tex]\int \frac{dx}{x^2+ 2x+ 5}[/tex]
I suggest you complete the square in the denominator to get a standard form.
 
Ok, now I get it, thanks for help!
 

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