Integration Techniques: Solving ∫dx/1+e^x, ∫csc^4x/cot^2x, ∫cos^7 2x

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The discussion revolves around various integration techniques for specific integrals, including ∫dx/(1+e^x), ∫csc^4x/cot^2x, and ∫cos^7(2x) dx. Participants explore different methods and approaches to solve these integrals, focusing on theoretical and mathematical reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using substitution for the integral ∫dx/(1+e^x), proposing to multiply by e^x and substitute u = e^x + 1.
  • Others propose an alternative approach for ∫dx/(1+e^x) by rewriting it as 1 - e^x/(1+e^x), indicating that the numerator is the derivative of the denominator.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their partial fraction decomposition and seeks confirmation.
  • Another participant provides a transformation for ∫csc^4x/cot^2x, simplifying it to a form involving sec^2x and csc^2x.
  • For ∫cos^7(2x) dx, a participant suggests factoring it as cos(2x)(1 - sin^2(2x))^4, leaving the rest to the original poster.
  • Some participants engage in clarifying steps in the transformations and substitutions, with one participant questioning the validity of a specific step in the simplification process.
  • Another method for the second integral is introduced, relating it to tan^2(x) and csc^2(2x), leading to a different integral formulation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best techniques to use for the integrals, with no consensus reached on a single method for each integral. Some methods are challenged or refined, indicating ongoing debate and exploration.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential issues with signs in partial fractions and the need for careful consideration of substitutions. Some steps in the mathematical reasoning remain unresolved or unclear, particularly regarding transformations and simplifications.

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what technique should I use here?

∫dx/1+e^x

∫csc^4x dx/cot^2x

∫cos^7 2x dx
 
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Re: integration help!

paulmdrdo said:
what technique should I use here?

∫dx/1+e^x

∫csc^4x dx/cot^2x

∫cos^7 2x dx
Hello Paul,

For the first one I asume you mean
$$\int\frac{dx}{1+e^x}$$
start with multiply both side with $$e^x$$ so we got:
$$\int\frac{e^x}{e^x(1+e^x)}dx$$
subsitute $$u=e^x+1 <=> du=e^xdx$$
so our integrate become
$$\int \frac{du}{(u-1)u}$$
I leave the partial fraction to you:)

For the rest I need to think more...

Regards,
$$|\pi\rangle$$
 
Re: integration help!

Petrus said:
Hello Paul,

For the first one I asume you mean
$$\int\frac{dx}{1+e^x}$$
start with multiply both side with $$e^x$$ so we got:
$$\int\frac{e^x}{e^x(1+e^x)}dx$$
subsitute $$u=e^x+1 <=> du=e^xdx$$
so our integrate become
$$\int \frac{du}{(u-1)u}$$
I leave the partial fraction to you:)

For the rest I need to think more...

Regards,
$$|\pi\rangle$$

is this correct?

1/(u*(u-1)) = 1/(u-1) + 1/u
ln(u-1) + ln(u) + c
= ln(e^x) + ln(e^x+1) + c
= x + ln(e^x+1) + c.
 
Re: integration help!

paulmdrdo said:
is this correct?

1/(u*(u-1)) = 1/(u-1) + 1/u
ln(u-1) + ln(u) + c
= ln(e^x) + ln(e^x+1) + c
= x + ln(e^x+1) + c.
Hello Paul,
Right now I am not home but the correct answer (with wolframalpha) is $$x - ln(e^x+1) + c.$$ I will solve this as soon as I am home!Regards,
$$\pi\rangle$$
 
You missed a sign in the partial fraction .

Here is an another way to do it

$$\frac{1}{1+e^x}= \frac{1+e^x -e^x}{1+e^x} = 1-\frac{e^x}{1+e^x}$$

Now you realize that the numerator is the derivative of the denominator , can you finish now ?
 
$$\Large \frac{\csc^4x}{\cot^2x} = \frac{\frac{1}{\sin^4 x}}{\frac{\cos^2 x}{\sin^2 x}} = \frac{1}{\sin^2 x \, \cos^2 x} =\frac{\sin^2 x + \cos^2 x }{\sin^2 x \, \cos^2 x} = \sec^2 x + \csc^2 x $$
 
$$\cos^7 2x = \cos 2x ( 1-\sin^2 2x)^4 $$

The rest is for you .
 
ZaidAlyafey said:
You missed a sign in the partial fraction .

Here is an another way to do it

$$\frac{1}{1+e^x}= \frac{1+e^x -e^x}{1+e^x} = 1-\frac{e^x}{1+e^x}$$

Now you realize that the numerator is the derivative of the denominator , can you finish now ?

i have a feeling that this correct. is it?
=>∫(e^x+1)/e^x+1) dx - ∫e^x dx /(e^x+1)

=>∫dx - ∫d(e^x+1)/e^x+1

=>x - ln(e^x+1) + c
 
paulmdrdo said:
i have a feeling that this correct. is it?
=>∫(e^x+1)/e^x+1) dx - ∫e^x dx /(e^x+1)

=>∫dx - ∫d(e^x+1)/e^x+1

=>x - ln(e^x+1) + c

Correct !
 
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ZaidAlyafey said:
$$\frac{1}{1+e^x}= \frac{1+e^x -e^x}{1+e^x} = 1-\frac{e^x}{1+e^x}$$
Amazing(Clapping)(I never think like that...)
Sorry Paul for making the problem more work then it need...
ZaidAlyafey said:
$$\Large \frac{\csc^4x}{\cot^2x} = \frac{\frac{1}{\sin^4 x}}{\frac{\cos^2 x}{\sin^2 x}} = \frac{1}{\sin^2 x \, \cos^2 x} =\frac{\sin^2 x + \cos^2 x }{\sin^2 x \, \cos^2 x} = \sec^2 x + \csc^2 x $$
your third and fourth step I did not understand
$$\frac{1}{\sin^2 x \, \cos^2 x} =\frac{\sin^2 x + \cos^2 x }{\sin^2 x \, \cos^2 x}$$
How does that work? $$|\pi\rangle$$
 
  • #11
Petrus said:
$$\frac{1}{\sin^2 x \, \cos^2 x} =\frac{\sin^2 x + \cos^2 x }{\sin^2 x \, \cos^2 x}$$

How does that work?

$$1= \sin^2 x + \cos^2 x $$

I substituted instead of $$1$$ in the numerator the term $$ \sin^2 x + \cos^2 x $$.
 
  • #12
ZaidAlyafey said:
$$1= \sin^2 x + \cos^2 x $$

I substituted instead of $$1$$ in the numerator the term $$ \sin^2 x + \cos^2 x $$.
Hey Zaid,
Thanks for the fast responed...! I see.. My bad that was obvious...

Regards,
$$|\pi\rangle$$
 
  • #13
Another way to proceed with the second problem is:

$$\frac{\csc^4(x)}{\cot^2(x)}=\frac{\tan^2(x)}{\sin^4(x)}=\frac{1}{\left(\sin(x)\cos(x) \right)^2}=4\csc^2(2x)$$

Now write the integral as:

$$-2\int-\csc^2(2x)\,2\,dx$$
 

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