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what technique should I use here?
∫dx/1+e^x
∫csc^4x dx/cot^2x
∫cos^7 2x dx
∫dx/1+e^x
∫csc^4x dx/cot^2x
∫cos^7 2x dx
The discussion revolves around various integration techniques for specific integrals, including ∫dx/(1+e^x), ∫csc^4x/cot^2x, and ∫cos^7(2x) dx. Participants explore different methods and approaches to solve these integrals, focusing on theoretical and mathematical reasoning.
Participants express differing views on the best techniques to use for the integrals, with no consensus reached on a single method for each integral. Some methods are challenged or refined, indicating ongoing debate and exploration.
Participants note potential issues with signs in partial fractions and the need for careful consideration of substitutions. Some steps in the mathematical reasoning remain unresolved or unclear, particularly regarding transformations and simplifications.
Hello Paul,paulmdrdo said:what technique should I use here?
∫dx/1+e^x
∫csc^4x dx/cot^2x
∫cos^7 2x dx
Petrus said:Hello Paul,
For the first one I asume you mean
$$\int\frac{dx}{1+e^x}$$
start with multiply both side with $$e^x$$ so we got:
$$\int\frac{e^x}{e^x(1+e^x)}dx$$
subsitute $$u=e^x+1 <=> du=e^xdx$$
so our integrate become
$$\int \frac{du}{(u-1)u}$$
I leave the partial fraction to you:)
For the rest I need to think more...
Regards,
$$|\pi\rangle$$
Hello Paul,paulmdrdo said:is this correct?
1/(u*(u-1)) = 1/(u-1) + 1/u
ln(u-1) + ln(u) + c
= ln(e^x) + ln(e^x+1) + c
= x + ln(e^x+1) + c.
ZaidAlyafey said:You missed a sign in the partial fraction .
Here is an another way to do it
$$\frac{1}{1+e^x}= \frac{1+e^x -e^x}{1+e^x} = 1-\frac{e^x}{1+e^x}$$
Now you realize that the numerator is the derivative of the denominator , can you finish now ?
paulmdrdo said:i have a feeling that this correct. is it?
=>∫(e^x+1)/e^x+1) dx - ∫e^x dx /(e^x+1)
=>∫dx - ∫d(e^x+1)/e^x+1
=>x - ln(e^x+1) + c
Amazing(Clapping)(I never think like that...)ZaidAlyafey said:$$\frac{1}{1+e^x}= \frac{1+e^x -e^x}{1+e^x} = 1-\frac{e^x}{1+e^x}$$
your third and fourth step I did not understandZaidAlyafey said:$$\Large \frac{\csc^4x}{\cot^2x} = \frac{\frac{1}{\sin^4 x}}{\frac{\cos^2 x}{\sin^2 x}} = \frac{1}{\sin^2 x \, \cos^2 x} =\frac{\sin^2 x + \cos^2 x }{\sin^2 x \, \cos^2 x} = \sec^2 x + \csc^2 x $$
Petrus said:$$\frac{1}{\sin^2 x \, \cos^2 x} =\frac{\sin^2 x + \cos^2 x }{\sin^2 x \, \cos^2 x}$$
How does that work?
Hey Zaid,ZaidAlyafey said:$$1= \sin^2 x + \cos^2 x $$
I substituted instead of $$1$$ in the numerator the term $$ \sin^2 x + \cos^2 x $$.