Integration U substitution then square it I think.

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function 1/(2√(x+3)+x) using u-substitution. Participants are exploring the steps involved in the integration process and the implications of their substitutions.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss various substitutions, particularly letting u = √(x+3), and the subsequent transformations of the integral. There are attempts to simplify the integral and questions about the correctness of each step taken. Some participants express confusion about the integration results and the application of integration rules.

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The discussion is ongoing, with multiple participants providing insights and suggestions for different approaches. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the integration process, and while some guidance has been offered, there is no clear consensus on the correct path forward.

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Participants are navigating through potential errors in their calculations and the implications of their substitutions. There are references to checking results against calculators, indicating a concern for accuracy in their solutions.

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1. ∫ 1/(2√(x+3)+x)



2. Not sure if I'm beginging this correctly or not but I get stuck.



3. Let u= √x+3 then u2 = x+3 2udu=dx dx=2√[(x+3)

Therefore: ∫1/u2-3 Not sure where to go from here?
 
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Ok what you did is good but take x from your u^2 you will get x=u^2-3. Then substitute it back into you integral and it should be simple from there.
 
So plug it into the original integral and get ∫1/(2√(u2-3+3) ?
So the 3's equal 0

Gives you: ∫1(2√u2)

Sqrt and 2 cancel leaving you 1/2u

but then that gives you 2u-1

integrating that gives you u0 which is where I keep getting stuck.
 
If I sub the other way and put x in for u^2-3 then that gives me 1/x. Integral of that is ln absvalue x. When I plug in numbers to make it a definite integral and check it on my calc. that doesn't work.
 
Zsmitty3 said:
but then that gives you 2u-1

integrating that gives you u0 which is where I keep getting stuck.

I didn't read the rest of this, but this is wrong. ##\int \frac{1}{u}du = \ln |u| + c## (c is the constant).

The rule ##\int u^n du = \frac{1}{n+1}u^{n+1} + c## only applies for ##n \neq -1##.
 
So you can pull out the 1/2 and make it .5∫(1/u)

The integral of that is .5(ln absvalue(u))

Sub u back in and get

.5(ln(√x+3)) abs value of √x+3 of course

that's still not giving me a right answer though when I check it.
 
Zsmitty3 said:
So plug it into the original integral and get ∫1/(2√(u2-3+3) ?
So the 3's equal 0

Gives you: ∫1(2√u2)

Sqrt and 2 cancel leaving you 1/2u

but then that gives you 2u-1

integrating that gives you u0 which is where I keep getting stuck.
No, you don't get 2u-1 .

\displaystyle \frac{1}{2\sqrt{x+3}+x}\ becomes \displaystyle \ \frac{1}{2u+u^2-3}\ .
 
-1/u+ln(2u)-u/3 Just plug in √x+3 back in for u.


So that gives you -(1/√x+3)+ln(2√x+3)-(√x+3)/3) ?
 
Zsmitty3 said:
-1/u+ln(2u)-u/3 Just plug in √x+3 back in for u.
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It's not clear how you got that.

The integral \displaystyle \ \int \frac{dx}{2\sqrt{x+3}+x}\ becomes \displaystyle \ \int \frac{2u\,du}{u^2+2u-3}\ .

Now use partial fractions.
 
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You mean partial fraction decomposition or just split them up into separate fractions?
 
  • #11
Zsmitty3 said:
You mean partial fraction decomposition or just split them up into separate fractions?
Yes, partial fraction decomposition. How else can you split them up into separate fractions?
 
  • #12
Can you make the u2+2u-3 = (u+3)(u-1)

Then A/(u+3) + B/(u-1) ?
 
  • #13
Zsmitty3 said:
Can you make the u2+2u-3 = (u+3)(u-1)

Then A/(u+3) + B/(u-1) ?
Try it !
 
  • #14
So 2=A(u-1)+B(u+3)

Let u= 1

2=A(0)+B(4)

2=3B so B=(1/2)

Let u=-3 and A=-1/2

When you put those in can you just bring the 1/2's out in front of the fraction or do you have to distribute then through the bottom of the integral?
 
  • #15
-1/2∫1/(u+3)+1/2∫1/(u-1)

ends up being 1/2* ln(√x+3)-1/√x+3)+3
 
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Zsmitty3 said:
So 2=A(u-1)+B(u+3)

Let u= 1

2=A(0)+B(4)

2=3B so B=(1/2)

Let u=-3 and A=-1/2

When you put those in can you just bring the 1/2's out in front of the fraction or do you have to distribute then through the bottom of the integral?
Try to be more careful.

That should be:

2u = A(u-1) + B(u+3) .
 

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