Integration using a TI-89 produces wrong value?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the discrepancies encountered when using a TI-89 calculator for integration problems in differential equations. Participants explore specific integrals and the outputs provided by the calculator, questioning the correctness of these outputs and the interpretation of the integrals.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the calculator gives an incorrect result for the integral of (x+1) and seeks clarification on how to input it correctly as a quantity.
  • Another participant points out that the integral of 3/(100+2*x) yields two different forms: 3/2 * ln(x+50) and 3/2 * ln(100+2x), expressing confusion over which is correct.
  • Some participants reference integral tables that suggest the integral of 1/(ax+c) should yield 3/2 * ln(100+2*x), while others note that this can also be expressed as 3/2 * ln(50+x) due to logarithmic properties.
  • One participant suggests that the difference in the answers is merely a constant, which could be considered part of the arbitrary constant in indefinite integrals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correctness of the integral outputs from the calculator, with no consensus reached on which form of the integral is the definitive answer. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of the results.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the difference in integral results may be attributed to the properties of logarithms and the nature of indefinite integrals, where constants can vary without affecting the overall evaluation of definite integrals.

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Hi Physics Forum,

I've just started taking Diff EQ and have been using my calculator for most integrations. I've come across two problems that I hope have answers.

1) When I try the integral of (x+1) (the quantity! not just x+1), my calculator still spits out (x^2/2)+x while the real answer should be (-(x+1)^2)/2. Is there a way to make my calculator identify (x+1) as the quantity (or is it factor? I forgot the actual term) rather than just x+1?

2) When I integrate 3/(100+2*x) I'm getting 3/2 * ln(x+50). However, I'm 99% sure the answer should be 3/2 * ln(100+2x). What am I/the calculator doing wrong?

Any and all answers are appreciated, thanks so much!
 
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\frac 3 {100+2x} = \frac 3 {2(50+x)}
 
Borek said:
\frac 3 {100+2x} = \frac 3 {2(50+x)}

This is where I'm confused. Multiple integral tables say that that

the integral of 1/(ax+c) is (1/a) * ln(ax+c). This would yield 3/2 * ln(100+2*x) where as the integral of your answer would yield 3/2 * ln(50+x). So I'm left with two different answers to choose from.

Either 3/2 * ln(100+2*x) or 3/2 * ln(50+x). Very curious =x
 
In both your examples, the difference in the "answers" is just a constant, so you can think of it as part of the arbitrary constant in an indefinite integral.

If you are going to evaluate a definite integral, the arbitrary constant cancels out so it doesn't matter.

In the first example the difference is the constant 1/2.

In the second example, from the properties of logarithms,
log(100 +2x) = log(2(50 + x)) = log(50+x) + log 2.
 

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