Integrator Circuit Transfer Function (voltage divide)

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of deriving a transfer function for a non-standard integrator circuit. The user presents their equations based on Kirchhoff's voltage law (KVL) but struggles with the impact of an additional resistor on the transfer function and Bode plot characteristics. Concerns are raised about a DC offset at the op-amp's non-inverting input, which complicates the analysis and could skew results. Suggestions include compensating for the DC offset by using capacitor coupling to superimpose AC signals. Overall, the conversation highlights the complexities of circuit analysis in non-ideal conditions.
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I have attached a picture of the circuit in which I am attempting to build a transfer function for, however, as you can see it is not a normal integrator. Normally it is evident which resistor is the resistor that is part of the series connection to the op amp.

When I do the KVL on the circuit to get the values I get the following function

<br /> <br /> v_{in} = C\frac{dv_{o}}{dt} + 2.5\times R_1 (\frac{1}{R1} + \frac{1}{R_2})

assuming that I voltage divide to 2.5V using values for R_1 = 5k\Omega R_2 = 910\Omega and the input is 16.3V.

<br /> v_{in} = C\frac{dv_{o}}{dt} + 16.23

From here I do not know how to get the transfer function. I am correct in assuming that the transfer function is no longer a linear line on the Bode plot due to that extra resistor that goes from the input to ground (thus reducing the current).

Or am I way off base with my assumptions.

Thank-you for your help
Lance

PS: I am an undergrad electrical engineer so the explanation does not have to be overly simplified.
 

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You could solve the DE, then for sinusoids let vin = A.sinѠt

Or you could start again, and let vcap = iC/(jѠc)
where iC is the capacitor current
 
That does make it more difficult to determine system dynamic parameters, ie rise time settling time and the such?
 
Your first post only mentioned Bode plot. If you are going to use Laplace, then let Vcap(s) = Icap(s)/(s.C)
 
Yes however, normally I use the Laplace form of the equation to make the transfer function to then recreate the Bode Plot.

The problem is that the Laplace transform is

<br /> <br /> sV_i = A s^2 V_o + B

As you can see the Constant B makes creating the transfer function very difficult!
 
What's that DC offset on op-amp's (+) input in aid ofhttp://physicsforums.bernhardtmediall.netdna-cdn.com/images/icons/icon5.gif You won't get anywhere while that's there, it will just send your op-amp output directly to the + rail! If that offset is to remain, then you'll need to exactly compensate for it by feeding DC into the (-) input, then superimpose your AC (for the Bode plot) on top of that DC. Capacitor coupling will achieve this.

Is this a circuit you invented as an exercise? :confused:
 
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