Interaction force, two dipoles

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The discussion revolves around the interaction force between two dipoles, specifically how the distance between them affects the net force. The original poster presents a scenario involving dipoles and seeks to understand the relationship between distance and force reduction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the electric field generated by a dipole and its effect on another dipole. Questions arise regarding the calculation of forces and the implications of distance on these forces. There is also a focus on breaking down the dipole moment into components for analysis.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some offering insights into the electric field of a dipole and its mathematical representation. There is an ongoing exploration of how to derive the force experienced by one dipole due to another, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to take.

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The original poster notes that this is a practice test question and not a formal homework assignment, which may influence the level of detail and rigor expected in the responses.

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Homework Statement



A dipole p is directed in the positive z direction at the origin.

The force on a dipole p in an electric field E is F=(p\cdot\nabla)E

If a second dipole is placed at (r, \theta), by what factor must r increase – in terms
of p, \theta and r – so that the net force between the two dipoles decreases by a factor of 64?

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I don't know how to start this... any hints please? This isn't homework, just a practice test question.
 
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mathman44 said:

Homework Statement



A dipole p is directed in the positive z direction at the origin.

The force on a dipole p in an electric field E is F=(p\cdot\nabla)E

If a second dipole is placed at (r, \theta), by what factor must r increase – in terms
of p, \theta and r – so that the net force between the two dipoles decreases by a factor of 64?

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I don't know how to start this... any hints please? This isn't homework, just a practice test question.

Well, you have a situation where one dipole is exerting a force on another...you already know how to determine the force exerted on a dipole from an external electric field, so...what is the electric field of a dipole? What force does that field exert on a dipole a distance r away from it (do not assume that the dipoles are aligned)?
 
The electric field of a dipole is

E=\frac{p}{4\pi\epsilon{r^3}}(2cos\theta\hat{\theta}+sin\theta\hat{r})

If I break p apart into p_r and p_\theta, dot it with del, then multiply by E, I get a mess of an answer.
 
This is what I got, by the way:

F_(r,\theta)=-3\frac{cos\theta}{4\pi\epsilon{r^4}}(2p_\theta+p_r)

Any help please?
 

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