Interception of 2 Energy Bands in 1st Brillouin Zone

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of two energy bands crossing within the first Brillouin zone, exploring theoretical implications, quantum numbers, and specific examples from materials science.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that band crossing is not possible due to the Pauli exclusion principle, which suggests that two states cannot have the same quantum numbers at the intersection point.
  • Others propose that band crossing can occur due to symmetry or specific conditions in the effective Hamiltonian, allowing for degeneracy without violating the Pauli principle.
  • It is noted that the quantum number ##\textbf{k}## is relevant in labeling Bloch states, and at the intersection point, the quantum numbers may indeed be the same.
  • Some participants highlight examples of materials, such as graphene and silicon, where band crossings are observed, mentioning "diabolic points" as significant phenomena.
  • There is a request for specific examples of crystals that permit band crossing, indicating a desire for further exploration of the topic.
  • A participant references a proof related to the discussion, suggesting that there is further theoretical backing for the claims made.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express conflicting views on the possibility of band crossing, with some asserting it is forbidden by the Pauli exclusion principle while others argue that it can occur under certain conditions. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Assumptions regarding spin degeneracy and the specific conditions under which band crossings may occur are not fully explored, leaving some mathematical and conceptual nuances unresolved.

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Is it possible in the first brillouin zoon that two energy bands crossed?
 
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No, if there were band crossing, then at the point of intersection we would have two states with the same ##(E,\textbf{k})##. But by Pauli's exclusion principle two states cannot have same quantum numbers. Consequently, this degeneracy will cause a gap to open at the intersection point.

PS: Throughout this argument it was implicitly assumed that all bands are spin degenerate. Therefore we do not consider the spin quantum number.
 
Yes, two energy bands can cross. The crossing can be due to symmetry, e.g. two bands transforming as a two or three-dimensional representation of the little group at some special point.
But also without symmetry intersections are possible. Specifically, assume that the effective one-particle hamiltonian h(k) has been brought already to block diagonal form leaving only the sub-space of the two states which may potentially intersect, called |1> and |2> in the following. The exact states are then obtained by diagonalizing the matrix with elements <1|h|1>, <1|h|2>, <2|h|1> and < 2|h|2>. Now a hermitian 2x2 matrix has at most 3 independent entries, which means that varying k, which has also 3 independent components, we can achieve to reach a point of degeneracy. Taking time reversal into account, the matrix has effectively only two free parameters, so that lines of degeneracy in k-space become possible.

In contrast to what physchem has stated, Pauli principle plays no role as the two bands which become degenerate still have different quantum numbers, so that energetic degeneracy is not forbidden.
 
DrDu said:
In contrast to what physchem has stated, Pauli principle plays no role as the two bands which become degenerate still have different quantum numbers, so that energetic degeneracy is not forbidden.

In a crystal you label the Bloch states using ##\textbf{k}##. Therefore ##\textbf{k}## is a quantum number (or numbers if you count the three components) (pg. 141 of Ashcroft and Mermin). So yes, at the intersection point the quantum numbers are in fact the same.

Also, can you please provide specific examples DrNo? I want to know which crystals permit band crossing.
 
PhysTech said:
In a crystal you label the Bloch states using ##\textbf{k}##. Therefore ##\textbf{k}## is a quantum number (or numbers if you count the three components) (pg. 141 of Ashcroft and Mermin). So yes, at the intersection point the quantum numbers are in fact the same.

Also, can you please provide specific examples DrNo? I want to know which crystals permit band crossing.

The point I wanted to make is that k is not the only quantum number but the label of the bands is also a quantum number.

The crossing of bands which has created most furor in the last years are maybe the "diabolic points" in graphene.

Almost any material like e.g. Si will show plenty of intersections:
https://wiki.fysik.dtu.dk/gpaw/exercises/band_structure/bands.html
 
DrDu said:
The point I wanted to make is that k is not the only quantum number but the label of the bands is also a quantum number.

The crossing of bands which has created most furor in the last years are maybe the "diabolic points" in graphene.

Almost any material like e.g. Si will show plenty of intersections:
https://wiki.fysik.dtu.dk/gpaw/exercises/band_structure/bands.html

Is this something worth looking into:

http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PR/v52/i4/p365_1?
 
Yes, Herring has worked out the proof I only sketched.
 

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