Interesting Projectile Motion problem

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Homework Statement



A person throws a ball off a roof that is 8 meters high with an angle of 45 degrees from the positive x axis. The ball is supposed to land in the center of a square that is centered 9 meters away from the base of the roof. With which initial velocity must the person throw the ball so that it lands from it is supposed to?





Homework Equations



Vi = unknown
Vx = 9/Ttot
Vx = Vi cos (45)
Vy = Vi sin (45)
h = 9 meters
y = distance from the initial height of the ball to the height that the ball peaks.
Ttot = the total time the ball is in there air.

The Attempt at a Solution



Ttot = t1 + t2 where t1 = the time it takes the ball to peak and t2 = the time it takes the ball to fall from that maximum height.

t1 = -Vy/g
t2 = sqrt ( (2h + 2y)/g)

t3 = -Vy/g + sqrt ( (2h + 2y)/g) = 9/Vx

When replaced with everything I'm given, I get the following equation. Keep in mind we're trying to solve for Vi.

t3 = -Vi sin(45)/g + sqrt ( (2(8) + 2(-Vi sin (45)/2g)/g) = 9/(Vi cos (45) )

From here, I'm not sure how I can solve for Vi. Is this problem impossible to solve with what I'm given or am I just making it a lot harder than it needs to be? I'd appreciate any help ya'll can give me!
 
I'd just use the component method.

This is what you end up with

Vx = Vocos([tex]\Theta[/tex])
Vy = Vosin([tex]\Theta[/tex])

Because the angle is 45o, what can you assume about the X and Y components of the velocity?

From that you can use the kinematics formulas to mess around with the stuff you have and find other information.

For instance:

d=Vot+(1/2)at2

You know what the final vertical displacement will be, and from this you can substitute and solve.

Or you could try using other kinematics equations.

Just remember that X only has one equation: Dx=Vxt
 
No you don't know what the final vertical displacement will be because you don't know the initial velocity.

Yes I know the velocity components of Vi are the same.

Did you look at the problem?
 
You said it needs to land in a square at ground level from a 8 METER high roof. So your displacement is -8.
 
No because if it was initial velocity UPWARD, the initial height will be greater than 8 meters. The additional height will be equal to Vy^2/2g.

Since I don't know Vy without knowing Vi, I don't have the complete vertical displacement.
 
I agree with Mattowander's initial assertion that he is making this harder than it needs to be. Setting up the x-y origin at the edge of the roof (implied by Lancelot), concentrate on solving the following equations at the specific time T when the projectile is at (X, Y) = (9, -8)

X = vxi * T [x component of motion]

Y = (vyi * T) -9.8 T^2 [y component of motion]

vxi = vyi
 
Sorry, forgot the 1/2
Y = (vyi * T) -(9.8 T^2)/2 [y component of motion]
 
Mattowander said:
No because if it was initial velocity UPWARD, the initial height will be greater than 8 meters. The additional height will be equal to Vy^2/2g.

Since I don't know Vy without knowing Vi, I don't have the complete vertical displacement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Displacement_%28vector%29" is the distance from A to B, not the distance you traveled in getting there.
 
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