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The discussion revolves around the interference of particles in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the behavior of alpha particles and electrons when detected at the same location. Participants explore the implications of distinguishability and wave behavior in relation to interference patterns, particularly in the context of double-slit experiments.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the wave behavior of an alpha particle does not interfere with that of an electron, suggesting that the probability of detection should differ based on their distinguishability.
  • Another participant asserts that the same wave amplitude applies to indistinguishable particles like alpha particles, while distinguishable particles like electrons and alpha particles do not interfere, leading to separate probabilities.
  • A further inquiry is made about the implications for double-slit diffraction when different types of particles are used, questioning whether interference patterns would still emerge under such conditions.
  • Another participant agrees that if only electrons are sent through one slit and only alpha particles through another, a two-slit interference pattern would not be observed for either particle type.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interference of distinguishable versus indistinguishable particles, with some agreeing that interference patterns would not form with mixed particle types, while others question the implications of wave behavior in such scenarios. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of interference in these contexts.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of their assumptions regarding particle behavior and the definitions of distinguishability, which may affect the conclusions drawn about interference patterns.

jackychenp
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Hi,

I am new to QM and really confused with some concepts.

Assume two alpha particles come out from two different sources and reach the same detector, so the probability to detect some particles should be |f+g|^2 (f, g are the amplitude of 1st and 2nd alpha particle, respectively). If they are one electron and one alpha particle, then probability should be |f|^2+|g|^2. Since the whole process is the wave behavior, why alpha particle "wave" can not interfere with electron "wave"?

Dirac once mentioned a photon state which associates with two or more beams. When we measure the energy of one beam, the photon will change suddenly from being partly in one beam to being entirely in one of the beams. How does that happen? Will it still happen if the two beams are very far away from each other? (that probably will break relativity law)
 
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The same f+g wave amplitude applies to both alpha particles because they are indistinguishable-- we have a law that says nature cannot "tag" them separately with an f for one and a g for the other. But an electron and an alpha particle are distinguishable, so the f applies to the electron, and the g to the alpha particle. So it's not even |f|2 + |g|2, it's just |f|2 and |g|2, separately for the two particles.
 
Ken G said:
The same f+g wave amplitude applies to both alpha particles because they are indistinguishable-- we have a law that says nature cannot "tag" them separately with an f for one and a g for the other. But an electron and an alpha particle are distinguishable, so the f applies to the electron, and the g to the alpha particle. So it's not even |f|2 + |g|2, it's just |f|2 and |g|2, separately for the two particles.

Does that mean double slits diffraction will not work if sources on two slits are different, say electrons in one slit, alpha particles in the other? This is weird since both can be see as waves just with different wavelength, and the interference should occur.
 
jackychenp said:
Does that mean double slits diffraction will not work if sources on two slits are different, say electrons in one slit, alpha particles in the other? This is weird since both can be see as waves just with different wavelength, and the interference should occur.
It would be hard to restrict alpha particles to one slit and electrons to the other-- usually with the double slit you send each particle toward both slits. Then the electron would get interference from its own wave function, it wouldn't need to care about the alpha particle. But yes, if you made it so only electrons could go through one slit, and only alpha particles through the other, you would not get a two-slit pattern for either one.
 

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