Internuclear separation between ions in a crystal-

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The discussion revolves around estimating the inter-nuclear separation between potassium (K+) and fluoride (F-) ions in an ionic crystal, specifically potassium fluoride (KF). The problem involves using given data such as density and atomic masses to derive a value for the separation distance.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss estimating the number of ions per unit volume based on density and atomic masses, and how to calculate inter-nuclear separation from this. There are questions about the relevance of atomic diameters and assumptions regarding the regularity of the crystal structure.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active with various approaches being explored. Some participants suggest methods for calculating the inter-nuclear separation, while others question the assumptions made in these calculations. There is no explicit consensus, but guidance on the general approach and considerations is being shared.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of specific information on atomic diameters and the implications of neglecting them in calculations. There is also mention of using X-ray crystallography to experimentally determine atomic spacing, raising questions about the relationship between experimental methods and theoretical calculations.

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Okay, I'm hoping someone here can explain this homework qustion I've got bcause we don't seem to have anything in our notes that covers it, so any help would be great- thanks!

Potassium fluoride (K+F-) is an ionic crytal having density 2.48x10^3 kg/m^3

Assuming that the diameters of the K+ and F- ions are approx equal, then make an estimate of the inyer-nuclear separation between the ions in the crystal. The info we're provided with are the relative atomicmasses of the K and F atoms, what one atomic mass uni equals and what 1eV equals. I'm not wanting an answer here, just how I should go about it (hence me not filling in all the details fo the quantities there). I was thinking that using the eqts from the Mie potential we could work it out since the attravtive force and repulsive force would be the same at this equilibrium separation bu it doesn't seem clear as to why I'd have to use all these values at the end of the question. Please help!
 
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Consider how many atoms of which approximately half are potassium and half are fluorine in a cubic meter of material and you should be able to make an estimate of the inter-nuclear size.
 
Okay, so if I take the density which is mass per unit volume and the divide it by the mass of one ion I can the the number of ions per unit volume. Here I'd add the 2 relative atomic mases together, multiply them by 1.66x10^-27, and divide the density by them, and then mutiply this by 2 to get the number of ions per unit volume. Then take the cube root of this to work out the number of ions per unit length and then divided 1 by this to get the inter-nuclear separation? My answer is roughly x10^-10. Is this correct? And do we make the assumption here to neglect the diameters of the ions or what?
 
Seeing as there's no information given on the atomic diameters in the question its reasonable to assume that you can neglect them. you're answer sounds ok its is generally accepted that the distance between atoms in a crystal is of the order of your calculated value. Just think of X-ray crystalography. The crystal is used as it has a similar width of spacing as the wavelength of the X-rays which are of the order of one or two Angstroms.
 
So to obtain thiss experimentally, would you scatter x-rays off crystals? I've got here that that gives the spacing between the atoms, but as you've said (I think), that's to be neglected it's to the same order? Or am I barking up the wrong tree? Would you then use Bragg's law of 2d=msintheta to work out the internuclear separation? Thanks. :)
 
In the initial calcualtion I mentioned, what assumptions would be made? I thought about maybe the structure should be regular all the way through, but is that just something that is actually the case anyway? Thank you. :smile:
 

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