Calculate attractive force between Cu2+ and O2- ions.

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The discussion revolves around calculating the attractive force between Cu2+ and O2- ions in the context of ceramic CuO, specifically with an interatomic separation of 200 pm.

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  • Participants explore the appropriate equations for calculating attractive forces, with some confusion regarding the relevance of energy equations. There is discussion about identifying the valences of the ions involved.

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Some participants have provided guidance on using Coulomb's law for calculating the force, while others express uncertainty about the correct approach and the use of given formulas. There is an acknowledgment of the charges of the ions involved, and attempts to clarify the problem's requirements are evident.

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Participants note a lack of clarity regarding the force equation and express concern about the appropriateness of the energy equations provided in the homework statement. The original poster indicates uncertainty about the values for z1 and z2, which are critical for the calculations.

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Homework Statement


Calculate the attractive force between a pair of Cu2+ and O2- ions in the ceramic CuO that has an interatomic separation of 200pm.


Homework Equations


E_A= -\frac{(z_1\cdot e)(z_2\cdot e)}{4\pi\cdot\epsilon_o\cdot r}
Where z_1 and z_2 are the valences of the two ion types, e is the charge of an electron (1.602 * 10^-19 C), epsilon_o is the permittivity of a vacuum (8.85*10^-12 F/m), and r is the distance between the two ions.

E_n=\frac{m\cdot e^4 \cdot z^2}{2n^2 \cdot \hbar^2}
Where m= mass of electron, z= atomic number, e= charge of an electron, n is the energy level.


The Attempt at a Solution


The problem is that I don't know how to find z_1 and z_2. Do I use E_n=\frac{m\cdot e^4 \cdot z^2}{2n^2 \cdot \hbar^2} to find the energy in the valence electrons? The problem is that I don't know how to use that equation because when I plug in what I think I should for the variables it gives me an answer with units all wrong... Here's an example from another problem where I tried to use that equation...

plugging in 1 for n, 3 for z, 9.11*10^-31 kg for m, -1.602*10^-19 Coulombs for e, and 1.054572×10^-34 J*s for h, we get
E_1= ((9.11*10^-31 kg))*((-1.602*10^-19 C)^4)*(3^2)/(2(1.054572×10^-34 J s)^2) = 2.428×10^-37 s^6A^4/(kg m^4) (second to the 6 amperes to the fourth per kilogram meter to the fourth).


So what to do?
 
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Why are you writing these formulas for energies?
The problem asks to calculate the attractive force.
The charges of each ion are given in the problem.
 
nasu said:
Why are you writing these formulas for energies?
The problem asks to calculate the attractive force.
The charges of each ion are given in the problem.

Well I don't know the force equation, my teacher only gave us the equation for bonding energy...
Perhaps since energy=force*distance we can find force by dividing our energy equation by some distance?


I'm still stuck but I see now that z_1= 2 and z_2=-2.

Any more help?
 
nasu said:
See Coulomb's law. For example, here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulomb's_law

What class is this? Chemistry?

The equation F= ke(|q1q2|)/r2 looks good.

So if I plug in 3.204 × 10^-19 coulombs for q1 and -3.204 × 10^-19 coulombs for q2 (because O2- has a net charge equal to -2 times the charge of an electron and Cu2+ has a net charge equal to twice the charge of an electron), then I get

2.307*10-8 N of force. Does that seem right?
 
Yes, it looks OK.
 

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